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Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:10 am ]
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An elderly shopkeeper who stabbed to death a burglar will not face charges, as prosecutors reassured homeowners they can use reasonable force to protect themselves, their families and their property.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... death.html

about time
one scum bag down, one law abiding person can now go about there law abiding business ...

Author:  hifidelity2 [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:13 pm ]
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Good!

Author:  AlunD [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:23 pm ]
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hifidelity2 wrote:
Good!

Totally agree :D

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:29 pm ]
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AlunD wrote:
hifidelity2 wrote:
Good!

Totally agree :D

+1. It really never should have reached that point.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:49 pm ]
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Holy Common Sense Batman! 8-)

Author:  hifidelity2 [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:27 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
AlunD wrote:
hifidelity2 wrote:
Good!

Totally agree :D

+1. It really never should have reached that point.


Actually I have no porblem with the police investigating - afterall someone was killed - so long as common sense is used

Author:  james016 [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:26 pm ]
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+100

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:50 pm ]
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hifidelity2 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
+1. It really never should have reached that point.


Actually I have no porblem with the police investigating - afterall someone was killed - so long as common sense is used

No problems with investigating but why arrest someone and ruin their lives for how many months this takes?

Author:  belchingmatt [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:35 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
hifidelity2 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
+1. It really never should have reached that point.


Actually I have no porblem with the police investigating - afterall someone was killed - so long as common sense is used

No problems with investigating but why arrest someone and ruin their lives for how many months this takes?


You'll probably find that if someone dies from anything other than natural causes that either someone or something was at fault. Therefore the police are called in to investigate, and upon their findings the CPS decide if charges should be pressed.

In a decent and competent society the shop keeper should have known that his actions were appropriate and that there would be no repercussions, and that at the end of the investigation there would be no chance of further charges. If that was the case then there would be nothing to worry about, and so the time scale would represent only due process.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:30 pm ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
You'll probably find that if someone dies from anything other than natural causes that either someone or something was at fault. Therefore the police are called in to investigate, and upon their findings the CPS decide if charges should be pressed.

In a decent and competent society the shop keeper should have known that his actions were appropriate and that there would be no repercussions, and that at the end of the investigation there would be no chance of further charges. If that was the case then there would be nothing to worry about, and so the time scale would represent only due process.

Yes we should encourage the investigations, but until the case actually is going to go to court why arrest them? This florist will have had his DNA and fingerprints taken, and will now be on a no-fly list to some places, and yet is completely innocent. He will not be able to get the DNA and fingerprints destroyed and will forever remain in the PNC.

Author:  belchingmatt [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:17 pm ]
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Not being able to fly to the US, what a loss. ;)

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:41 pm ]
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belchingmatt wrote:
Not being able to fly to the US, what a loss. ;)

I agree but it is the principle.

Author:  hifidelity2 [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:59 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes we should encourage the investigations, but until the case actually is going to go to court why arrest them? This florist will have had his DNA and fingerprints taken, and will now be on a no-fly list to some places, and yet is completely innocent. He will not be able to get the DNA and fingerprints destroyed and will forever remain in the PNC.


The keeping of DNA / Fingerprints is a seperate issue. Personally if you are not ultimatly charged then they should be destroyed within a fix period of time - say 6 months

IF you are charged and convicted they should still be destroyed after a period of time - say 2 x your sentence so if you were sentenced to 5 yrs in jail your DNA / fingerprints would remain on file for 10 yrs. Certain crimes could have an unlimited period (murder etc)

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:49 pm ]
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hifidelity2 wrote:
The keeping of DNA / Fingerprints is a seperate issue. Personally if you are not ultimatly charged then they should be destroyed within a fix period of time - say 6 months

IF you are charged and convicted they should still be destroyed after a period of time - say 2 x your sentence so if you were sentenced to 5 yrs in jail your DNA / fingerprints would remain on file for 10 yrs. Certain crimes could have an unlimited period (murder etc)

Well the thing is that even if you are convicted of a minor offence they go on the database for life. Also if you volunteer your DNA as part of a mass screening in many cases it is still kept, yet you were not even charged or arrested. Also how do we know that they are destroyed? We have to take their word for that.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:38 am ]
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AlunD wrote:
hifidelity2 wrote:
Good!

Totally agree :D

+1

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