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Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:56 am ]
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A pub landlady has won the latest stage of her fight to air Premier League games using a foreign TV decoder.

Karen Murphy had to pay nearly £8,000 in fines and costs for using a cheaper Greek decoder in her Portsmouth pub to bypass controls over match screening.

But she took her case to the European Court of Justice.

The ECJ now says national laws which prohibit the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards are contrary to the freedom to provide services.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15162241

It's for reasons such as this that I love the European Union and the "common market".
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:30 am ]
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Linux_User wrote:
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A pub landlady has won the latest stage of her fight to air Premier League games using a foreign TV decoder.

Karen Murphy had to pay nearly £8,000 in fines and costs for using a cheaper Greek decoder in her Portsmouth pub to bypass controls over match screening.

But she took her case to the European Court of Justice.

The ECJ now says national laws which prohibit the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards are contrary to the freedom to provide services.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15162241

It's for reasons such as this that I love the European Union and the "common market".

Yup becaue by this ruling the price for everyone will go up.
Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:38 am ]
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If that's how the Premier League choose to deal with the ruling so be it, but talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:47 am ]
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Yes the EU has so many advantages. If the Tories ever try leaving the EU via a referendum, try selling the fact that TV football rights will be much more expensive under a UK outside the EU.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:55 am ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
Yup becaue by this ruling the price for everyone will go up.

If they decided to increase the costs considerably to foreign broadcasters then they will simply price it off the screens. Their overall revenue from abroad will drop. Without these fans watching the value to the clubs in terms of marketing value will plummet. Man United are very popular in the far east but if they had to charge more then the issue of piracy will raise its head there. They will not benefit as much from overseas tours because they will have priced themselves out of the market.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:56 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Yes the EU has so many advantages. If the Tories ever try leaving the EU via a referendum, try selling the fact that TV football rights will be much more expensive under a UK outside the EU.

I know you have a hate on with the Tories but as they have no plans to have a referendum to leave the EU anyway, that is a tenuous link to make at best.

What is most likely to happen is that the premier league will sell pan european rights to Sky and ESPN.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:58 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
Yup becaue by this ruling the price for everyone will go up.

If they decided to increase the costs considerably to foreign broadcasters then they will simply price it off the screens. Their overall revenue from abroad will drop. Without these fans watching the value to the clubs in terms of marketing value will plummet. Man United are very popular in the far east but if they had to charge more then the issue of piracy will raise its head there. They will not benefit as much from overseas tours because they will have priced themselves out of the market.


lets see UK rights over £1 billion vs £130 million for european. I think I know which revenue the premier league would prefer to lose.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:02 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
Yup becaue by this ruling the price for everyone will go up.

If they decided to increase the costs considerably to foreign broadcasters then they will simply price it off the screens. Their overall revenue from abroad will drop. Without these fans watching the value to the clubs in terms of marketing value will plummet. Man United are very popular in the far east but if they had to charge more then the issue of piracy will raise its head there. They will not benefit as much from overseas tours because they will have priced themselves out of the market.


lets see UK rights over £1 billion vs £130 million for european. I think I know which revenue the premier league would prefer to lose.

Yes but they will not be allowed to cut off consumers like that. If they did that then the chances are that they would face unlimited fines in the EU courts for illegal practices.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:11 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
lets see UK rights over £1 billion vs £130 million for european. I think I know which revenue the premier league would prefer to lose.

Yes but they will not be allowed to cut off consumers like that. If they did that then the chances are that they would face unlimited fines in the EU courts for illegal practices.

They wont cut off consumers they will just raise the cost, then consumers can have the choice of paying or not. As long as the PL can get the huge amounts of money off SKY and ESPN they wont care if the european viewer numbers go down.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:14 pm ]
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In fact. the EPL makes only roughly 15% of it's TV revenue out of televising games in Europe. The two ameajot earners TV wise are the US (somewhat strangely) and the far east.

Even if the ruling alters the way TV rights are sold in Europe, they'll make little difference in the grand scheme of things.

The worst bit is people like Kudos jumping on the bandwagon and complaining because they won't be able to sell their shows on a country by country basis any more so they'll go out of business. What, people were importing Greek satellite decoders to watch Spooks were they now?

Jon
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:32 pm ]
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But this is not a straightforward ruling. As Karen Murphy and her lawyer were claiming victory, so the League was saying it had won.

In particular, the League points to a part of the EU judgment that acknowledges that showing matches in pubs is a public event. This was not part of the advocate general's opinion back in February.

Again, this seems to me to be open to interpretation.

While live sport cannot be protected under copyright law, other parts of the broadcast, such as graphics, music and highlights of other matches, are protected. So as long as the League incorporates elements like this into their live broadcasts, then pubs will need to seek the League's permission to show foreign broadcasts.

It is a deeply confusing picture and it is now up to the High Court to interpret this European judgment.


this could go on and on and on.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:14 pm ]
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Indeed. Sky/ESPN will attempt to plaster their brand on the screen as often as possible to make as much of the broadcast 'copyright' as possible. What in fact will happen is the current trend for people getting their 'pirate feed' via the Internet rather than through a dish will only accelerate. This ruling does nothing to either stop or aid that trend. As streaming and broadband services improve so people will cease bothering with satellite decoders altogether. It's a ruling that is already late and in five years will be already antiquated.

The ruling re: pubs is interesting now but again will be obsolete soon. A pub showing the game on a big screen tv is one thing, but what can they do about a pub with wifi ( which is a completely legit service to offer) and a URL on a chalkboard? If one person per table has an tablet, why do you need the tv?

As always, the broadcasters themselves are way behind the public.
Author:  JJW009 [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:44 pm ]
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The most interesting thing about this case is "freedom to provide services" ruling which flies in the face of regional copyrights.

jonbwfc wrote:
If one person per table has an tablet, why do you need the tv?

I really don't think that will catch on. It's just not the same as all standing around one big screen.

Also, I'm not sure that right now there are many pubs with internet that's up to 20 simultaneous streaming video feeds. Hopefully that will change, but not in time for next season's big games.

Of course it doesn't effect me anyway. When there's sport on down the pub, I'd rather watch something else in the comfort of my home with a bottle of something decent.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:11 pm ]
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He's an idea. Instead of raising prices, they pay the permier league less and footballers wages don't go up any further for a few years.
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:31 pm ]
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JJW009 wrote:
effect

Affect?
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