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| jonbwfc wrote: Frankly, the idea that there are huge numbers of feckless people in employment or unemployment in the UK .... well it's a right-wing fantasy | |
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| Author: | davrosG5 [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Scrap unfair dismissal claims for lazy workers |
BBC clickey You know employment rights, yeah you can kiss them goodbye. The person, and I use the term with some caution, who came up with this one has already admitted this would give bosses the ability to sack people they just didn't like without fear of reprisal (regardless of job performance). Unbelievable |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scrap unfair dismissal claims for lazy workers |
It's pretty much the way things work in certain states in the US and, as we know, to certain Tories the States is the absolute best model for a society and anything they do we must absolutely do regardless of cost to life, society and the general happiness of the nation. Jon |
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| Author: | bobbdobbs [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scrap unfair dismissal claims for lazy workers |
Considering you can sack a worker for no reason (as long as its not one of the 'isms or discriminatory as defined in law) in the first year of employment anyway. This is more about companies who do hire "coasters" refusing to accept that they are in fact to blame and wait too long to do anything about it. Once someone is past the first year all you have to do is set performance objectives (that of course aren't unfair or impossible) and if they fail you have the reason to terminate their employment. Most companies that lose unfair dismissal claims are because they do not follow their own policies or procedures. I know a few companies that only hire on a three/six month temp contract and only at the end of it consider you for a perm role. |
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| Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scrap unfair dismissal claims for lazy workers |
Wouldn't you expect employers to notice if a worker was lazy/useless within the current one year deadline? |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scrap unfair dismissal claims for lazy workers |
Frankly, the idea that there are huge numbers of feckless people in employment in the UK that companies are desperate to get rid of but can't for fear of being dragged through a tribunal is just.. well it's a right-wing fantasy, let me put it that way. Even in the public sector, large parts of it have already been 'purged' through voluntary redundancy schemes and other cutbacks - the place I work for, as an example, has cut 25% of it's staffing in the last two years. I for one don't believe one in four people in the place I work were sat with their feet up on the desk all day. The Civil service has lost tens of thousands of staff and is still going to lose more. Private businesses are cut to the bone too, or they're going out of business. To put it bluntly - this is the idea of someone who thinks anyone who doesn't have their own secretary is a drag on 'wealth creation' and that there's no fundamental reason people in the UK shouldn't accept the same conditions of employment as people in China. And that anybody who is paid by the government should actually be working in the private sector because that by definition is just better. It's a completely dogmatic proposal from someone who hasn't actually spent a day of their life anywhere near a job that actually produces anything. In a few years I fully expect him to be on the board of the CBI. Jon |
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| Post subject: | Re: Scrap unfair dismissal claims for lazy workers | |||||||||
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| Author: | Linux_User [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:58 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: Scrap unfair dismissal claims for lazy workers | |||||||||
Thank Christ for the Lib Dems...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011 ... issal-laws |
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| Author: | lumbthelesser [ Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:16 am ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: Scrap unfair dismissal claims for lazy workers | |||||||||
There's a phrase you don't hear everyday... but I am inclined to agree with you. |
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