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Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:47 pm ] | |||||||||
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17249099
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Author: | JJW009 [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:53 pm ] |
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TL;DR but the quote "grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right" sounds like something someone might have said about the Catholic church ![]() |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:57 pm ] |
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Felt it a bit long but from what I gather, it's the term "marriage" that some feel ought to remain religious and the Govt should dream up another word. |
Author: | Linux_User [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:25 pm ] |
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To not allow gay couples to marry is to suggest that they are not the equal of heterosexual couples; this is intolerable in a modern liberal democracy. Let the religious bigots do what they want with their own ceremonies and their own churches, but civil marriage is none of their business. Christians need to learn that they have no right to foist their outdated and outmoded beliefs on the rest of the population. I also like that the Tories are supposedly in favour of equal marriage these days, when I wrote to my Tory MP about this very issue a while back he revealed what a bigoted tw@t he is in his reply to my letter. |
Author: | ProfessorF [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:36 pm ] |
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Homosexuality has been observed in over 250 species. Homophobia appears to have been observed in 1. |
Author: | JJW009 [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:46 pm ] | |||||||||
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Perhaps "The Church" should come up with a new word to describe "Married in a way we approve of", because married is a legal status and our law is not governed by the church - much less by a Catholic cardinal's personal opinion.
This reminds me of that guy that married a dolphin. Dolphins are people too - there was also an article on that recently! |
Author: | l3v1ck [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:50 pm ] |
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See I'm generally pro gay rights and I generally don't like the church. However I can sort of see their point. The word "marriage" is defined as a union between a man and a woman and is used by all major religions as that. As long as gay couples have all the same legal rights (financial, adoption etc) through civil partnerships as married couples, I see nothing wrong with keeping the word marriage for male/female couples only. Maybe we need to invent a new word to describe "married gay couples", one that religious people can't take offense to? |
Author: | Linux_User [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:53 pm ] | |||||||||
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That doesn't work, because it implies that a same-sex union is somehow second-class to a heterosexual one. I don't see why the secular majority need to bow down to how marriage is defined in a fictional, 2,000 year-old, poorly-translated & Roman Catholic-censored book. Straight couples can get married without any involvement from the Church, so gay couples should be able to too. |
Author: | JJW009 [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:04 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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I stand by my previous comment:
However, it would demonstrate that "we" (the unprejudiced majority) are better than "them" (the Catholic bigots) if we decided to eliminate the word "marriage" from all law and replace it with "civil partnership" or whatever. Heterosexual church-going couples could still get the religious bit done if they so desired, and I would not look down on them for it. |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:08 pm ] |
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Perhaps marriage can be reserved for male/female unions and must be religious. Quite often, there are people who have never been to church/mosque/temple in their life, yet when it comes it getting married, they suddenly feel it must be at a religious venue. This is where things have fallen apart IMO. Perhaps, if a couple are religious, regularly go to a church/mosque/temple, they'll be known by the priest and hence can be "married". If you're not religious, not known at the church/temple/mosque, and aren't in a male-female relationship, it can't be called marriage. As a doctor, I already have to ask whether people have a "partner" or are in a relationship - I can't ask if they're "married" as it's not politically correct. This is down to "marriage" encompassing the idea of a religion-approved male-female relationship. Given that a lot of couples have children without wanting to get married, you can't assume that the mother of your child patient is married, nor whether the children all have the same father. I think we just need a modern word that people can use and doesn't determine whether they're in a male-female relationship but are still committed. It has to sound like married (ie relatively easy to say, with widespread use). Maybe something like parried? ![]() |
Author: | JJW009 [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:11 pm ] | |||||||||
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En Garde! It's true "civil partnership" doesn't really sound very cosy. |
Author: | pcernie [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:53 pm ] |
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A gay rights campaigner earlier said they wouldn't be taking any lessons on sexuality or child welfare from people who had abused thousands of kids... |
Author: | Linux_User [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:30 pm ] | |||||||||
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Author: | ProfessorF [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:34 pm ] |
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I liked Stonewall's advice to people opposed to gay marriage: Don't marry someone of the same gender. |
Author: | tombolt [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:43 pm ] |
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I personally think of civil partnerships as a marriage anyway and call them such. It's just semantics really. If you consider yourself married, just say you are. I k ow someone who isn't married in any sense, but they've taken their partner's name and call him their husband. |
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