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Author:  bobbdobbs [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:  HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
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Apple Inc. (AAPL) may face a difficult task invalidating two HTC Corp. (2498) patents for data transmission in wireless devices, a U.S. trade judge said at a trial that could lead to import bans on the newest iPad and next version of the iPhone.

“Clear and convincing means something to me,” U.S. International Trade Commission Judge Thomas Pender said yesterday in Washington, referring to the legal standard in determining that a patent shouldn’t have been issued. “I have to be pretty darn certain a U.S. patent is invalid.”

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Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
IIRC, this is under legal dispute already - Apple are claiming the patented technologies are/should be under FRAND regulations (and therefore can be used by anyone for free), whereas HTC and I believe Samsung are, as you might expect, claiming they aren't/shouldn't be.

Expect this one to be as equally tedious and drawn out as the last one.
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
jonbwfc wrote:
IIRC, this is under legal dispute already - Apple are claiming the patented technologies are/should be under FRAND regulations (and therefore can be used by anyone for free), whereas HTC and I believe Samsung are, as you might expect, claiming they aren't/shouldn't be.

Expect this one to be as equally tedious and drawn out as the last one.

Free? It's "Fair and reasonable" terms, not free and reasonable!
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
Linux_User wrote:
Free? It's "Fair and reasonable" terms, not free and reasonable!

If you ask a corporation what a reasonable price is for something they want, they'll pretty much always say 'free' :lol:

Besides, the point is these things are reciprocal. They round out to pretty much nothing in corporate finance terms, even if they aren't actually free in contract terms.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
It would be so funny if they did get banned. It might just teach Apple a lesson.
Author:  tombolt [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
A lesson in what exactly?

Don't hate the player, hate the game. The system is [LIFTED].
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
It might take a defeat to make them realise the game is broken.
Author:  big_D [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
jonbwfc wrote:
IIRC, this is under legal dispute already - Apple are claiming the patented technologies are/should be under FRAND regulations (and therefore can be used by anyone for free), whereas HTC and I believe Samsung are, as you might expect, claiming they aren't/shouldn't be.

Expect this one to be as equally tedious and drawn out as the last one.

FRAND doesn't mean free, just a "reasonable" fee.

In that case, so should rounded rectangles be under FRAND - heck, given the 4 or 5,000 years of prior art for rounded rectangles, I don't know how that got through in the first place... :roll:

As to "reliably sending large amounts of data", Apple and others, have similar patents for sending MP3, video etc. Instead of the patent being for the transmission of data, the patent office lets just about every subset of datastream to re-patent the transmission of data, because it is specific.

The whole system needs scrapping and starting again with proper guidelines in place and the patent office actually doing its duty and not rubber stamping every patent with obviousness and prior art that comes across its desk!
Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
big_D wrote:
In that case, so should rounded rectangles be under FRAND

Obviously not given even a moment's rational thought, since it's entirely possible to make a mobile device that doesn't have rounded corners.
Author:  paulzolo [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: HTC could get the Iphone5 and Ipad3 banned
jonbwfc wrote:
big_D wrote:
In that case, so should rounded rectangles be under FRAND

Obviously not given even a moment's rational thought, since it's entirely possible to make a mobile device that doesn't have rounded corners.


Or rectangular even.

Also, “teaching Apple a lesson’ won’t make it fix the problem - it’s not their problem to fix, and even if they did lobby for a change, others will lobby against it and any change will be years, if not decades to resolve. And then it will only be in the USA.
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