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Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Hillsbrough Report - 23 year path to 'The Truth'?
BBC Report

  • The police had no senior officer on duty in the stand when the crush began and junior officers had not even been issued with radios. This meant when the crush started the police lost control of the situation almost immediately.
  • The Ambulance service was slow to react and sent too few units to the scene when it did.
  • The stand had failed a safety inspection the week before but police refused to postpone or cancel the game.
  • The local fire service also informed the police they did not believe the stand was fit for purpose. This was ignored.
  • Police offers took blood samples from the dead in the aftermath without consent of next of kin, in an attempt to find evidence of drunkenness by the victims. No unusual levels of blood alcohol were found. One of those from whome a sample was taken was a ten year old girl.
  • 164 witness statements were 'substantially altered' by the police. 114 had sections criticising the police removed entirely. These include the statements of police officers themselves.
  • Senior Ambulance service management also altered the statements their staff made, before forwarding them to the police.
  • The chief constable of South Yorkshire Police met with the local MP and the head of a local news agency the next day, and released a description of events on which the infamous Sun headline was based. Several major aspects of this press release were demonstrably false.
  • Despite the coroner stating that after 3.15pm on the day all those killed were beyond help, significant post-mortem evidence exists to show that some could have been revived after that time if the proper aid had been administered. A medical doctor assigned to the review panel said that in his opinion 41 of the victims had "potential to survive", although he could not say for sure how many could have been saved.
  • Police officers (against police guidelines) carried out police national computer checks on those who had died in an attempt "to impugn the reputations of the deceased" (words of the report)

Good lord. Good lord.
Author:  pcernie [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:00 pm ]
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And that right there is why I never rule out a conspiracy - just look at the sheer amount of scumbags it took to hush it all up until now.
Author:  tombolt [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:07 pm ]
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A lot of people vindicated today. What an utter tragedy.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hillsbrough Report - 23 year path to 'The Truth'?
Just read a piece quoting from Kenny Dalglish's autobiography. For those that don't know, Dalglish was - voluntarily - the clubs representative to the families of the victims. He attended all 96 funerals and spent many hours working with the survivors and families. Arguably, he's never fully recovered from the events himself.

Anyway, two days after the tragedy, The Sun publishes it's now infamous front page story accusing Liverpool fans of robbing the dead and assaulting the emergency staff as they tries to save people lives, among other things. As has now been shown, it was all entirely untrue. The headline on this piece was simply 'The Truth'. To this day, the population of Liverpool have largely boycotted The Sun because of it.

The day after that issue was put on the newstands, as eye witness testimony filtered into the public domain (this is before the internet of course) and the Sun's angle became increasingly unsustainable, Kelvin McEnzie (The Sun's editor at the time) phones Dalglish up.,.

"Kenny" McKenzie says "It seems there's a problem.."
"Aye."
"So, do you have any advice as to how we might deal with it?"
"Well, you know that headline you printed, 'The Truth'? You could just print another one saying 'We Lied. We're Really Sorry.'
"Kenny, you know I can't do that."
"Well, in that case, I can't really help you" <and Dalglish puts the phone down>
Author:  Spreadie [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:21 am ]
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I'm struggling to find the words to describe how I feel about this appalling cover up.

My mate and I were on a bus from Sheffield to Stocksbridge at the time, and passed Leppings Lane. I remember thousands of people spilling out of the ground and just sitting down on the pavement, leaning against garden walls. We had no idea what was happening, there were no emergency vehicles in sight and very few police - it was only when we got to my mate's house in Stocksbridge we found out.

I was back in Sheffield the following afternoon on my way home, and I was talking to a Liverpool fan on the train who was sobbing. His best mate was one of the dead. :(

I have a lump in my throat recalling that memory.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:01 am ]
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Quote:
In 2004, Boris Johnson was ordered by the then Tory leader Michael Howard to go to Liverpool and apologise for an article in The Spectator which accused the city of "wallowing" in its "victim status".

He said Liverpudlians made a scapegoat of police in the wake of the Hillsborough disaster, refusing to acknowledge the part played "by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground".

The article, on 16 October, said people in Liverpool "cannot accept that they might have made any contribution to their misfortunes, but seek rather to blame someone else for it, thereby deepening their sense of shared tribal grievance about the rest of society".



Source

Just in case anyone was thinking that BoJo would be a good candidate for Parliament.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:10 pm ]
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about 22 years late
Murdoch and the rest of that rising globe rag need to hold there heads in shame
and then do the decent thing and jump from a very high building

anybody remember the fleet street march to fort wapping when it was opened
i was there and witnessed the police horse charge into the marchers, bastards ...
Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:41 pm ]
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Surely the police officers who edited and submitted edited statements to the enquiry could be done for perverting the course of justice, or even perjury?
Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:27 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Surely the police officers who edited and submitted edited statements to the enquiry could be done for perverting the course of justice, or even perjury?

They could all be done for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, which is actually a more serious offense than doing it solo. I don't think they can be done for perjury since nobody was actually ever prosecuted so there were never any trials to perjure themselves in. I don't know if lieing to an enquiry also counts as perjury tbh.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:53 pm ]
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This is interesting

Why the Daily Mirror didn't print the same story as The Sun

Basically it shows that The Mirror did things the 'proper' way rather than just taking the police's word and therefore spotted almost immediately that the authorities version of events looked suspect. And it also shows why Kelvin McKenzie's excuse that 'we only printed what we were told' is utter cobblers.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:11 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
And that right there is why I never rule out a conspiracy - just look at the sheer amount of scumbags it took to hush it all up until now.

The initial screw up was not planned, but simply incompetence. The coverup was the conspiracy. For that those at the top should have honours removed and even prosecution.
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