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Fish and chip shops selling Vietnamese cobbler as Cod
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Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:59 am ]
Post subject:  Fish and chip shops selling Vietnamese cobbler as Cod
The Times wrote:
One fish has been reared in the chilly fathoms of the Atlantic Ocean, and its meat is firm and flakes satisfyingly when cooked. The other is farmed in the rivers of the Mekong delta in Vietnam, from where it is frozen and imported to Britain. Although white, its meat crumbles.

To connoisseurs they are as divergent as chalk and cheese. Yet in more and more of Britain’s 11,000 fish-and-chip shops they are the cause of a culinary scandal as some unscrupulous friers — albeit a minority — try to pass off the Vietnamese river cobbler as traditional British cod.


Continued here: The Times

For those interested, this is actually an offence under Section 14 of the Food Safety Act 1990, namely supplying food which is not of the nature (in this instance) substance or quality demanded (by the consumer), which is to the prejudice of the consumer (i.e. they're not actually better off due to the fraud/mistake).
Author:  veato [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:28 pm ]
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I'm not suprised. I've been to a few chippys and found the 'cod' to be rubbish, i.e. not flaky at all, more of a mush. I figured it was crap fish though, I've never suspected it to be a different fish altogether!

At least my local chippy are honest. They admit cod is too expensive and only now sell haddock.
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:37 pm ]
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veato wrote:
I'm not suprised. I've been to a few chippys and found the 'cod' to be rubbish, i.e. not flaky at all, more of a mush. I figured it was crap fish though, I've never suspected it to be a different fish altogether!

At least my local chippy are honest. They admit cod is too expensive and only now sell haddock.


Strange that, I find people are always willing to pay the extra for Cod. I know I would - it's about the only fish I like.
Author:  veato [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:58 pm ]
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Thats what I said to the chippy but they said its too expensive for them to buy in.
Author:  DaftFunk [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fish and chip shops selling Vietnamese cobbler as Cod
It maybe very rare, but it's bloody dangerous, you could be allergic to it!

Cheek of it
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fish and chip shops selling Vietnamese cobbler as Cod
Did anyone else read 'Cod' as 'God'? :shock:

The chippy I use provides cod but can use other white fish if you ask them. Having eaten properly-cooked cod for many years of my life, I know when something isn't cod. I think it's better to be upfront and honest than to lie as if you get found out, you could lose loads of customers for life!
Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fish and chip shops selling Vietnamese cobbler as Cod
I won't eat cod on principle. We've fished it to the verge of extinction.

Quote:
cod stocks down to 1% of this pre-industrial level

Quote:
Most cod are caught before they are two years old, and thus are unable to propagate the species.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2361763.stm
http://www.ccconserv.org/articles-neads ... itics.html

I won't eat farmed salmon for the same reason. For every pound of farmed salmon, many times that weight in sea food had to be netted in order to feed them. There are also other serious concerns.

There are many other perfectly good eating fish out there which aren't in such deep water, as it were. I don't eat much fish at all, but when I do it tends to be "cheap generic white fish" which translates as "not endangered". I'd be quite OK buying Vietnamese whatsits, provided it was advertised honestly.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:24 pm ]
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Once upon a time, the sea was blue.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 545556.ece


I don't like seafood. Some seaweeds are quite nice though. Mmm algaeness...
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fish and chip shops selling Vietnamese cobbler as Cod
I don't really want to quote your post JJ as it's quite long (and I can't be arsed to edit it :P), so I will just post my reply here:

The danger to cod is very serious, but this is what EU restrictions and quotas are supposed to be for, despite how much everyone hates them. They might make things difficult for fishermen, but like you, I'd rather keep the Cod species around and let it re-populate than keep fishermen in business over the short-term.
Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:36 pm ]
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Linux_User wrote:
The danger to cod is very serious, but this is what EU restrictions and quotas are supposed to be for, despite how much everyone hates them.


Quotas are a terrible solution.

In order to reach their quota, it's common to overfish massively and then only keep the most valuable specimens. The rest is thrown back dead for the seagulls. It's obscene, and will destroy the industry if it continues.

I think what we need is huge "reservations". Areas were the ocean can recover fully. We may then once again see fully grown fish.

If fish stocks returned to pre-industrial levels, then we could take 1% of the stock and still eat more fish than we do now.
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:38 pm ]
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JJW009 wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
The danger to cod is very serious, but this is what EU restrictions and quotas are supposed to be for, despite how much everyone hates them.


Quotas are a terrible solution.

In order to reach their quota, it's common to overfish massively and then only keep the most valuable specimens. The rest is thrown back dead for the seagulls. It's obscene.

I think what we need is huge "reservations". Areas were the ocean can recover fully. We may then once again see fully grown fish.


Well it's either quotas or a ban, and I can't see either going down too well. You'd need some serious naval patrols in order to ensure EU fishermen simply didn't just ignore the "no-go" zones, and there's nothing to stop non-EU fishermen from exploiting them either, unless they're inside EU waters.
Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fish and chip shops selling Vietnamese cobbler as Cod
Linux_User wrote:
Well it's either quotas or a ban, and I can't see either going down too well. You'd need some serious naval patrols in order to ensure EU fishermen simply didn't just ignore the "no-go" zones, and there's nothing to stop non-EU fishermen from exploiting them either, unless they're inside EU waters.


I'm not convinced it would be any harder than enforcing quotas. I imagine it's the big boats that do the most damage, and they shouldn't be too hard to keep tabs on. You'd only have to torpedo a couple to get the message home. Perhaps an automated satellite could simply blast them out of the water, or at least take pictures.

Reservations are the normal way to protect game and endangered species. I can't think of any other example where quotas are used. And frankly, poaching fish should be considered a serious offence. People caught poaching are usually shot.
Author:  forquare1 [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:58 am ]
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Supply and demand, educate the consumer telling them cod/salmon is endangered and hope they don't buy it.
Fishermen will soon get the message when no one wants to buy their catch from them...

As a semi-interesting side note, the lead singer from Jethro Tull - Ian Anderson - made a lot of money from his salmon farm...I believe it funded a number of album recordings.
Author:  AlunD [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:51 am ]
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forquare1 wrote:
As a semi-interesting side note, the lead singer from Jethro Tull - Ian Anderson - made a lot of money from his salmon farm...I believe it funded a number of album recordings.


As did the lead singer from the Who - Roger Daltrey
Author:  pcernie [ Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:34 am ]
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AlunD wrote:
forquare1 wrote:
As a semi-interesting side note, the lead singer from Jethro Tull - Ian Anderson - made a lot of money from his salmon farm...I believe it funded a number of album recordings.


As did the lead singer from the Who - Roger Daltrey


You know the blue light that covers the face-hugger eggs in the original Alien film? That was borrowed from The Who's stage kit, you know ;)
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