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Man Tries to Break Sound Barrier - Without a Plane
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jonbwfc
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Live StreamSome of the scienceSpace.com infographicProfessional mad bloke Felix Baumgartner is about to be (takes of at 6.30PM GMT assuming good weather conditions) on his way up into the stratosphere in a small balloon. He plans to jump from 120,000 ft. In theory, at some point on the way down in free fall he could break the sound barrier.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:41 pm |
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l3v1ck
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I thought that had been done years ago.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:46 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Apparently not. Previous record is something over 100,000 feet apparently, which isn't high enough. The only reason he might go super sonic is he's much higher up than that where the atmosphere is even thinner (.01 atmospheric one source says) and therefore the drag may be minimal enough for him to reach high enough speed.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:51 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Apparently it's being postponed - wind condition sat ground level means they can't get the balloon inflated. Boo!
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:50 pm |
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timark_uk
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I was watching "live" on YouTube. Everything was going well then a gust of wind - it was really more of a breeze - came along ad the partially inflated balloon went nuts. Flapping and flopping all over the place. Even without audio I kind of suspected it'd be postponed. Again. Mark
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:01 pm |
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ProfessorF
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I have a horrible feeling this won't end well. I hope I'm wrong. It'd be awesome (in the true sense of the word) if he makes it.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:11 pm |
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Amnesia10
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I think that it will be fine. They will do everything to ensure it will be successful.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:15 pm |
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ProfessorF
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I'm sure that after 5 years of planning, they've tried to cover almost every eventuality. But, still, there's always something.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:16 pm |
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ProfessorF
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/10/121005-felix-baumgartner-skydive-science-sound-barrier-joseph-kittinger/ |  |  |  | Quote: 1. Baumgartner's Blood Could Boil
The atmosphere above 12 miles, or 63,000 feet (19,200 meters)—known as the Armstrong line (named for Harry George Armstrong, who founded the U.S. Air Force's Department of Space Medicine in 1947)—is so thin that, if not protected, human blood will literally boil. To prevent that, Baumgartner's airtight suit and the capsule around him will be continuously pressurized to create a personal atmosphere that isolates him from the void surrounding him.
The smallest crack in this protective layer would cause almost immediate death. It is assumed this is what occurred on previous attempts to break Kittinger's record. Russian Pyotr Dolgov (1962) and American Nick Piantanida (1966) both died, most likely due to depressurization at extreme altitude.
2. Extreme Cold Could Stress Balloon
As Baumgartner ascends, his balloon and capsule will pass through an atmospheric layer called the tropopause. In this zone, where jumbo jets cruise between 40,000 and 55,000 feet (12,200 and 16,800 meters), the temperature drops drastically to between -50°F and -70° F (-46°C and -57° C).
Baumgartner's balloon will be stressed by the cold, constructed as it is from plastic film just 0.0008 inch (0.02 millimeter) thick, to optimize weight-to-lift ratio.
Outside the capsule, Baumgartner, insulated by his suit, will descend through the tropopause in a matter of seconds, minimizing the dangers of such extreme temperatures.
3. Wind Could Blow Baumgartner off Course
Wind gusts are a worry. Exposed to extreme low temperatures, a balloon can become almost brittle according to Kittinger's account for National Geographic magazine in 1960. That kind of stress could result in a rupture.
"It takes patience to get just the right weather conditions," Red Bull Stratos meteorologist Don Day said. His team will employ a fleet of their own balloons to track weather conditions and wind patterns at every layer of the atmosphere. Ground winds of over two miles (three kilometers) an hour could scratch the mission, and winds at higher altitudes could cause the balloon to drift off course and Baumgartner to be lost.
4. Baumgartner Could Spin Uncontrollably, Even Fatally
The highest risk during descent is a flat spin, where Baumgartner would lose control of his free fall and begin to spin laterally, his head and feet rotating around his center.
A flat spin draws blood into the jumper's head and feet. At a speed exceeding 600 miles (970 kilometers) an hour, a flat spin could spin a jumper at 180 to 250 rotations a minute, creating a situation of extreme negative G's—the gravitational force that, in much milder form, creates that feeling of weightlessness as a roller coaster crests a hill.
Depending on the speed, a flat spin would could cause anything from headache, shortness of breath, and vision failure to mental confusion, unconsciousness, and burst eyeballs—when pressures exceeding -4 G's build up in the skull, blood and spinal fluid are forced outward, and their main escape routes are through the ocular cavities.
The flat-spin risk can be mediated with a technology first developed for Kittinger: a stabilization parachute to prevent further increase in rotation, deployed on command, or automatically if -3.5 G's are achieved.
In 1960 Kittinger's stabilization parachute was designed to deploy automatically shortly after he jumped, to prevent a flat spin. But Baumgartner has his eyes on a new speed record. He will be able to deploy the parachute himself, but it won't open automatically unless he's already in a flat spin and -3.5 G's are achieved. Instead he will assume a rigid aerodynamic body position for the entire free fall—head first, arms at sides—and hope for the best.
(Also see "Austrian Prepares to Skydive From the Stratosphere.")
5. Sonic Boom Could Do Unknown Damage
The dive team calculates that, in optimal conditions, Baumgartner will accelerate from 0 to 690 miles an hour in the first 40 seconds of his descent. At this speed, he will catch up to, then pass, the speed of sound.
What are the risks of that? Red Bull Stratos Medical Director Jon Clark said, "We try to anticipate as much as we can about supersonic speed, but we really don't know, because nobody has done this before."
Worries include vibrations caused by passing sound waves and internal injury that could be caused when parts of Baumgartner's body pass the barrier before others, according to Clark, a former NASA physician and current professor of neurology at Texas's Baylor College of Medicine.
(Related: "U.S. Developing Jets That Fly Five Times the Speed of Sound.")
If Baumgartner becomes the first human to achieve supersonic speed with just his body—and without breaking his body—he will break new scientific ground. Anticipating the jump, Kittinger joked with Baumgartner, describing him as "a bomb that can maneuver."
As Kittinger knows better than anyone, "it's hostile up there. Man, there's no pressure. It's cold. You've got the glare. If you're at 100,000, 130,000 feet [30,000, 40,000 meters] and something breaks, that's it. Adios."
But with a little luck and a crack team behind him, by the end of Monday, Felix Baumgartner will be back on Earth, owner of a new set of world records. |  |  |  |  |
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:42 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Since he will be in a space suit he will not hear the roar of the very thin air as he falls past the sound barrier. He will probably have a wingsuit variation to help maintain control, so even supersonic buffeting will be minimal in such thin air.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:20 pm |
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bubbles
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a wingsuit would actually slow him down, wingsuits are designed to slow down the person to allow them to fly for more distance this guy will most likly be freefalling head down (like an arrow) to achieve the fastest he can. if he does bugger up, he has a drogue shoot (like tandem skydives) to slow him down to allow him to become stable. tbh, the only thing that could possibly go wrong is him passing through a plane... your resident skydiver 
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:50 pm |
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ProfessorF
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Or, as happened to the Russian attempt, he damages his suit or helmet leaving the capsule and boils himself.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:52 pm |
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timark_uk
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Or everything could be fine and he'd enter the record books once he was safely on the ground and we could stop the morbid speculation. YMMV
Mark
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:57 pm |
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Amnesia10
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This is most likely. I doubt that the sponsor would want the bad publicity of a failure. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk.
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:16 pm |
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JJW009
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Or he may die of old age waiting for a calm enough day to do the jump 
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:44 pm |
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