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Author:  pcernie [ Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-19941383

Another potential nightmare for Clegg? ;)
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
This is more of a problem for Cameron. He is less Eurosceptic than his party. This is to avoid losing more support to UKIP.
Author:  Linux_User [ Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
As if the Tories haven't trashed the economy enough as it is, now they want to withdraw from the EU and introduce barriers to trade?

You can't trade with the EU without meeting the requirements of EU directives and regulations anyway, so the only thing we'd "gain" by leaving the EU would be still having to comply with EU legislation but not having any say in the laws being made.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
Linux_User wrote:
As if the Tories haven't trashed the economy enough as it is, now they want to withdraw from the EU and introduce barriers to trade?

You can't trade with the EU without meeting the requirements of EU directives and regulations anyway, so the only thing we'd "gain" by leaving the EU would be still having to comply with EU legislation but not having any say in the laws being made.

its not about leaving the EU
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He said that, with 50% of UK trade being with the EU, it "makes sense" for Britain to be in the single market, but to "reset the relationship so we have a balance of competencies between Europe and Britain that works for Britain and for the British people".


As for meeting the requirement of the directives and regulations that only applies to what you trade ie meeting the safety regulations etc, otherwise china could not produce anything for the EU!!!
Author:  Linux_User [ Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
Britain can't pick and choose which directives it wants to follow. The only negotiating position it would have would be to try and wrest powers back during negotiations for a new treaty, which may or may not fly depending on the mood of the other EU nations. If the Tories are determined to try and "repatriate" powers to Westminster - and I'm not sure I believe them since this is the party that signed Maastricht - then they may be left with no option but to leave the EU and join the EEA instead.

EU legislation - especially consumer legislation - is vastly superior to the British stuff it replaced and it's the British people who would lose out due to the short-sightedness of some right-wing reactionary nutjobs in the Tory party.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
Linux_User wrote:
EU legislation - especially consumer legislation - is vastly superior to the British stuff it replaced and it's the British people who would lose out due to the short-sightedness of some right-wing reactionary nutjobs in the Tory party.
what about the left-wing reactionary nutjobs in the labour party that also want out of the EU? ;)
Author:  Linux_User [ Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
bobbdobbs wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
EU legislation - especially consumer legislation - is vastly superior to the British stuff it replaced and it's the British people who would lose out due to the short-sightedness of some right-wing reactionary nutjobs in the Tory party.
what about the left-wing reactionary nutjobs in the labour party that also want out of the EU? ;)

Well they're not in power, so they don't count. Their numbers are also greatly reduced from the days of Tony Benn et al.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
Linux_User wrote:
EU legislation - especially consumer legislation - is vastly superior to the British stuff it replaced and it's the British people who would lose out due to the short-sightedness of some right-wing reactionary nutjobs in the Tory party.

Not just consumer legislation. Employment rights would be better within the EU than out especially under a Tory led government.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
pcernie wrote:
Another potential nightmare for Clegg? ;)
Probably not. I image it will only happen if the tories win the next election. I'd be very impressed if they had the balls to do that before the election.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
Linux_User wrote:
As if the Tories haven't trashed the economy enough as it is, now they want to withdraw from the EU and introduce barriers to trade?

You can be in the free trade zone without being in the EU. Norway has been smart enough to be in the free trade zone without joining the EU.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
There are a few countries who do that.

it may be a good idea, it may not. However, I do struggle to believe anything in which Michael Gove is involved will be anything other than a major cock up in implementation.
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
l3v1ck wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
As if the Tories haven't trashed the economy enough as it is, now they want to withdraw from the EU and introduce barriers to trade?

You can be in the free trade zone without being in the EU. Norway has been smart enough to be in the free trade zone without joining the EU.

Ah, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein - four countries which are subject to EU law but have no say in how it's made. What an improvement!
Author:  pcernie [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
l3v1ck wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Another potential nightmare for Clegg? ;)
Probably not. I image it will only happen if the tories win the next election. I'd be very impressed if they had the balls to do that before the election.


I was thinking he might have to 'take a stand' again :lol: , but you're right, and it's all assuming Clegg even has a job NEXT year ffs :lol:
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
Linux_User wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
As if the Tories haven't trashed the economy enough as it is, now they want to withdraw from the EU and introduce barriers to trade?

You can be in the free trade zone without being in the EU. Norway has been smart enough to be in the free trade zone without joining the EU.

Ah, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein - four countries which are subject to EU law but have no say in how it's made. What an improvement!

because we get a real say in EU law as citizens of the holy roman empire :lol:
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Philip Hammond backs Michael Gove over rethink on EU
Linux_User wrote:
Ah, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein - four countries which are subject to EU law but have no say in how it's made. What an improvement!

At least we do have some say.
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