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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:34 am ]
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19942378

Quote:
The penalties for drug misuse should be relaxed so that possession of small amounts would no longer be a criminal offence, the government has been urged.

The recommendation comes in a report from the UK Drug Policy Commission, which undertook six years of research.

Its detailed report concludes the UK is wasting much of the £3bn it spends each year on tackling illicit drugs.

The Home Office says drug use is falling and it does not plan to alter its approach.

Great news but I doubt that the Tories will even consider such advice.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:33 am ]
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TBH I wouldn't change the policy either.

Author:  pcernie [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:27 pm ]
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It was the police who got cannabis back to class B IIRC :?

Over here it tends to be a caution, maybe a small fine with it. Even if it's just cosmetic, I'd sooner have that than people starting drug habits who otherwise might not have. I suspect we'd be on a slippery slope in a country that struggles with booze, but that's my speculation :lol:

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:43 pm ]
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^^^that's always been by argument for not legalising drugs here. We have so many issues with people not drinking responsibly that you can imagine similar problems with drugs. I would argue we are not sensible like amsterdam or other parts of Europe.

Author:  tombolt [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:49 pm ]
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Thing is though is that people look at drugs with the cultural bias of alcohol. All drugs have their downsides, but alcohol is one of the most socially damaging, so people tend to think of other drugs as being so.

Most of the issues with drugs come from the fact that they're illegal.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:51 pm ]
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They are not planning on legalising just se criminalising for possession of small amounts. Though since drug runners only carry one deal at a time they might need to rethink it a bit.


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Author:  pcernie [ Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:04 am ]
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tombolt wrote:
Thing is though is that people look at drugs with the cultural bias of alcohol. All drugs have their downsides, but alcohol is one of the most socially damaging, so people tend to think of other drugs as being so.

Most of the issues with drugs come from the fact that they're illegal.


Legalising them wouldn't be the answer for the people I've known down the years, they're addicted to the weak stuff as it is. If we're getting all high and mighty these days about alcohol, cigs and food, why introduce a new addiction? IMO.

Giving drugs to people who believe in the meta situation of what they read in the papers and the likes of X-Factor is not the answer :lol: . Well, unless the question is 'How can the coalition distract the public?'

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:00 am ]
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pcernie wrote:
Legalising them wouldn't be the answer for the people I've known down the years, they're addicted to the weak stuff as it is. If we're getting all high and mighty these days about alcohol, cigs and food, why introduce a new addiction? IMO.'

Though will decriminalising that make any difference to them? Those that are addicted will not change.

pcernie wrote:
Giving drugs to people who believe in the meta situation of what they read in the papers and the likes of X-Factor is not the answer :lol: . Well, unless the question is 'How can the coalition distract the public?'

I certainly would not think of it as that. Decriminalising has been a regular topic for years.

Author:  pcernie [ Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:52 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Legalising them wouldn't be the answer for the people I've known down the years, they're addicted to the weak stuff as it is. If we're getting all high and mighty these days about alcohol, cigs and food, why introduce a new addiction? IMO.'

Though will decriminalising that make any difference to them? Those that are addicted will not change.

pcernie wrote:
Giving drugs to people who believe in the meta situation of what they read in the papers and the likes of X-Factor is not the answer :lol: . Well, unless the question is 'How can the coalition distract the public?'

I certainly would not think of it as that. Decriminalising has been a regular topic for years.


I think decriminalising it would make a difference to them, since their dealers will probably have to move to stronger stuff to stay relevant. The truly paranoid aren't likely to take up government-backed dope :lol:

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:36 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
I think decriminalising it would make a difference to them, since their dealers will probably have to move to stronger stuff to stay relevant. The truly paranoid aren't likely to take up government-backed dope :lol:

Yes but de criminalising it is not the same as legalising it. If they legalised drugs they could have other problems. Also small amounts would be ignored unless you were a runner. It would target police resources higher up the supply chain. Though lengthy sentences for celebrity druggies might stop it being cool.

Author:  pcernie [ Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:51 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
pcernie wrote:
I think decriminalising it would make a difference to them, since their dealers will probably have to move to stronger stuff to stay relevant. The truly paranoid aren't likely to take up government-backed dope :lol:

Yes but de criminalising it is not the same as legalising it. If they legalised drugs they could have other problems. Also small amounts would be ignored unless you were a runner. It would target police resources higher up the supply chain. Though lengthy sentences for celebrity druggies might stop it being cool.


Sorry, that's what happens when you come back to a thread you couldn't reply to in work :oops:

I see decriminalising it again as the first step to legalising it for sale (taxing it etc), and I'm assuming the government and police do too... 'Well, it's not illegal in small amounts, why shouldn't everybody have the choice?'. Because even Amsterdam is slowly scaling it back, for one thing?

Author:  forquare1 [ Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:00 pm ]
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tombolt wrote:
Thing is though is that people look at drugs with the cultural bias of alcohol. All drugs have their downsides, but alcohol is one of the most socially damaging, so people tend to think of other drugs as being so.

Most of the issues with drugs come from the fact that they're illegal.


And I think that is where the abuse of alcohol is from, at least partially. I know many people who's parents refused them alcohol before they were 18, most of them went behind their parent's backs and binged, else they binged when they were finally allowed to buy their own legally. Personally, my parents taught me how to drink responsibly, and by and large I have done so. Yes I've been sick from drinking too much, but then I've been sick from eating too much ice cream...

I did start to think, I know bleach has obvious good uses, but there are other, safer, and more eco friendly alternatives. Bleach is pretty bad for you if you ingest it, but it is widely available for you to do so...

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:20 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
Sorry, that's what happens when you come back to a thread you couldn't reply to in work :oops:

I see decriminalising it again as the first step to legalising it for sale (taxing it etc), and I'm assuming the government and police do too... 'Well, it's not illegal in small amounts, why shouldn't everybody have the choice?'. Because even Amsterdam is slowly scaling it back, for one thing?

Legalising could take decades. Though I do not see harder drugs like heroin becoming legal. The biggest problem with heroin is not the drug itself. It is all the cutting agents that are used to cut heroin. If you saw the state of an addicts veins you would understand. These are what cause the bulk of problems with collapsed veins and all the problems that follow. I am not saying that it should be legalised but what ever we have now is not working.

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