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Senior executives in the UK's biggest companies have seen their average earnings go up by more than a quarter in the past year.

New research suggests the bosses of top firms made an average of £4m a year.

But Incomes Data Services, which compiled the figures, says pay and bonuses have hardly risen at all.

Instead the increase is due to a rise in value of long term incentive plans which have replaced cash bonuses.

The study looked at the earnings of directors of the 100 largest companies quoted on the London stock exchange, in the 12 months to June.

It showed that increases in basic pay and bonuses slowed almost to a halt - with pay rising in line with inflation, and bonuses falling.

However, earnings still increased by an average of 27%, largely due to the introduction of long term, share-based incentive plans for executives.

These plans - which are now used by 90% of top companies - are designed to match bonuses more closely to the return that shareholders make, says BBC business correspondent Jonty Bloom.

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No real shock there then.......... :roll:

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I am surprise. 'We're all in this together'.

That was my first thought. Most people are facing wage freezes or benefit cuts and yet the top are still getting pay increases to incentivise them to work harder. :oops:

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jonbwfc wrote:
I am surprise. 'We're all in this together'.

That was my first thought. Most people are facing wage freezes or benefit cuts and yet the top are still getting pay increases to incentivise them to work harder. :oops:

Are you sure you haven't misunderstood the article? It specifically says
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Increases in basic pay and bonuses slowed almost to a halt - with pay rising in line with inflation, and bonuses falling.

The increase in earnings are because of the increase in value of shares/share options that were awarded to them IN THE PAST. That's actually a good thing. Def. better that just getting a large basic salary and bonus for just turning up. Awarding share incentives is better because they actually have to work to increase the share price.

But I guess people will complain no matter what.
So, as you were...

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Amnesia10 wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
I am surprise. 'We're all in this together'.

That was my first thought. Most people are facing wage freezes or benefit cuts and yet the top are still getting pay increases to incentivise them to work harder. :oops:

Are you sure you haven't misunderstood the article? It specifically says
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Increases in basic pay and bonuses slowed almost to a halt - with pay rising in line with inflation, and bonuses falling.

The increase in earnings are because of the increase in value of shares/share options that were awarded to them IN THE PAST. That's actually a good thing. Def. better that just getting a large basic salary and bonus for just turning up. Awarding share incentives is better because they actually have to work to increase the share price.

But I guess people will complain no matter what.
So, as you were...

Yes but much of the value in shares recently have had little to do with company performance and more of the flows of QE into the stock market. So if the Bank of England stops QE then those shares will become worth a lot less.

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Yes but much of the value in shares recently have had little to do with company performance and more of the flows of QE into the stock market. So if the Bank of England stops QE then those shares will become worth a lot less.

You assume it is as simple as that, it is not. There is a way to adjust for these things, e.g. relative performance to a benchmark, competitors etc...

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Yes but much of the value in shares recently have had little to do with company performance and more of the flows of QE into the stock market. So if the Bank of England stops QE then those shares will become worth a lot less.

You assume it is as simple as that, it is not. There is a way to adjust for these things, e.g. relative performance to a benchmark, competitors etc...

The impact of QE on share prices depends on the company. Most companies are overvalued but some are more overvalued than others. Using benchmarks is one reason why many of these companies had such complex and rigged payment schemes in the first place. It is a much more complex problem, that is rigged right now as a result of QE. Other than that it is probably a better system than many others.

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Awarding share incentives is better because they actually have to work to increase the share price.

And the people below director level who have had a pay freeze or worse for about the last four years don't contribute to that at all?


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Awarding share incentives is better because they actually have to work to increase the share price.

And the people below director level who have had a pay freeze or worse for about the last four years don't contribute to that at all?

Of course they do. Share incentive schemes are available of all employees, not just for directors. I personally have a share options and shares through two schemes available to me at work. My share options made me 300% profit over last three years but you ain't going to read about that in the papers. It is pretty much a norm to have schemes like that if you work for a floated company no matter what level you are in the company. I don't see understand what the issue is here.

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koli wrote:
Awarding share incentives is better because they actually have to work to increase the share price.

And the people below director level who have had a pay freeze or worse for about the last four years don't contribute to that at all?

Of course they do. Share incentive schemes are available of all employees, not just for directors.

You sure about that? For every one of the companies in question? Under the same terms?


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And the people below director level who have had a pay freeze or worse for about the last four years don't contribute to that at all?

Of course they do. Share incentive schemes are available of all employees, not just for directors.

You sure about that? For every one of the companies in question? Under the same terms?

I don't know what are the companies in question but I would expect most of the FTSE 350 members to have them.
Most common ones:
Share Incentive Plan
Sharesave Plan

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