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Amnesia10
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:43 am |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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I am surprise. 'We're all in this together'.
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:20 am |
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AlunD
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:12 am Posts: 7011 Location: Wiltshire
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No real shock there then.......... 
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:17 am |
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Amnesia10
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That was my first thought. Most people are facing wage freezes or benefit cuts and yet the top are still getting pay increases to incentivise them to work harder. 
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:09 pm |
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koli
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:12 pm Posts: 1171
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Are you sure you haven't misunderstood the article? It specifically says The increase in earnings are because of the increase in value of shares/share options that were awarded to them IN THE PAST. That's actually a good thing. Def. better that just getting a large basic salary and bonus for just turning up. Awarding share incentives is better because they actually have to work to increase the share price. But I guess people will complain no matter what. So, as you were...
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:12 pm |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but much of the value in shares recently have had little to do with company performance and more of the flows of QE into the stock market. So if the Bank of England stops QE then those shares will become worth a lot less.
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:30 pm |
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koli
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You assume it is as simple as that, it is not. There is a way to adjust for these things, e.g. relative performance to a benchmark, competitors etc...
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:48 pm |
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Amnesia10
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The impact of QE on share prices depends on the company. Most companies are overvalued but some are more overvalued than others. Using benchmarks is one reason why many of these companies had such complex and rigged payment schemes in the first place. It is a much more complex problem, that is rigged right now as a result of QE. Other than that it is probably a better system than many others.
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:56 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
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And the people below director level who have had a pay freeze or worse for about the last four years don't contribute to that at all?
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Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:58 pm |
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koli
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Of course they do. Share incentive schemes are available of all employees, not just for directors. I personally have a share options and shares through two schemes available to me at work. My share options made me 300% profit over last three years but you ain't going to read about that in the papers. It is pretty much a norm to have schemes like that if you work for a floated company no matter what level you are in the company. I don't see understand what the issue is here.
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Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:37 am |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
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You sure about that? For every one of the companies in question? Under the same terms?
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Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:42 am |
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koli
Doesn't have much of a life
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I don't know what are the companies in question but I would expect most of the FTSE 350 members to have them. Most common ones: Share Incentive PlanSharesave Plan
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