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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/09/one-in-six-charities-close

Quote:
The UK's flatlining economy is having a devastating effect on charities, according to research that suggests that two out of five face closure, with many set to disappear as early as next year unless things improve.

A poll commissioned by the Charities Aid Foundation confirms that public spending cutbacks and falling donations are conspiring to devastating effect. The foundation warns that as many as one in six charities believe they may close in the coming year, while nearly half say they are being forced to dip into reserves. One in three say they fear being forced to cut services.

The figures will make gloomy reading in Downing Street, which believes the third sector has a vital role to play in delivering the prime minister's vision for his "big society". The funding crisis comes as charities report that there is more demand for their services.

So much for the Big Society idea. That looks like crumbling to dust with the cutbacks.
Author:  Linux_User [ Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
I like the part where the Charities Aid Foundation identifies that household budgets are being squeezed and people are struggling, but still goes on to ask the public to find the money to fund charities through regular giving.

Quote:
The foundation is calling on the public to support charities through regular giving, regardless of how much time or money people can give.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20652731

I think we had this conversation in another thread. If someone's income is flagging I'm pretty sure charitable donations play second fiddle to keeping the lights on.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
It also puts paid to David Cameron's Big Society idea where charities step in when the government pulls out. Clearly they did not think anything through.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
Well it starts form the somewhat bizarre notion that people who used to be paid to do something would be happy to do it for nothing. I can't imagine how that could fail.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
jonbwfc wrote:
Well it starts form the somewhat bizarre notion that people who used to be paid to do something would be happy to do it for nothing. I can't imagine how that could fail.

Agreed also presumes that someone who has lost their jobs has the time and income to allow them to do voluntary work. I would imagine that they are looking for a new job.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:57 am ]
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An old guy slips and falls outside 10 Downing Street just as David Cameron is coming out to get in his car. Cameron helps the old guy to his feet.

"Thanks," says the old man.

"If you really want to thank me," says Cameron, "just vote for me and my party in the next election."

"Listen, mate," says the old guy. "I landed on my arse not my [LIFTED] head."
Author:  saspro [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
I used to work for a charity & the main issue they have is that they're rubbish with money.
Lots of excess jobs (so they get the funding) & a lot of staff are overpaid for what they actually do.
The larger charities are run like a business so generally are self sufficient and will keep running. It's the little ones that rely on applying for random funding from government schemes (i.e. they'll hire people & start new projects just because there's finding available & they can use the money for "admin fees").
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:30 pm ]
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Charities only seem to be interested in regualr payments these days. Every couple of months or so we get a different one knocking on the front door asking for us to set up a direct debit.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
l3v1ck wrote:
Charities only seem to be interested in regualr payments these days. Every couple of months or so we get a different one knocking on the front door asking for us to set up a direct debit.

I get that occasionally. I mean, what? LIke I'm going to give somebody who knocks on my front door my bank details? I don't give a *&^% if you've got an ID card, I can knock one of those up in a couple of minutes and a look at any given charities web site.

If they gave me a leaflet and/or instructions on how to set up a direct debit via their website, I might do it. I even have a couple of times after being visited where I've done and looked for details to do so. But there's no way in hell I'm giving those kind of details out on spec to a stranger. I can't imagine there are that many people who will, frankly.

Jon
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
I already have set up standing orders for the charities that I am supporting, and even when things got tight I have never touched my charity standing order.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
Amnesia10 wrote:
I already have set up standing orders for the charities that I am supporting, and even when things got tight I have never touched my charity standing order.

+1
(DD rather than SO in my case)
The RNLI have been getting money from me for years that way. But I set it up. It wasn't because somebody knocked on my door.
Author:  Paul1965 [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
The current plague of chuggers don't help matters either, let alone the door-to-door mob.
Author:  JJW009 [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
jonbwfc wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
Charities only seem to be interested in regualr payments these days. Every couple of months or so we get a different one knocking on the front door asking for us to set up a direct debit.

I get that occasionally. I mean, what? LIke I'm going to give somebody who knocks on my front door my bank details? I don't give a *&^% if you've got an ID card, I can knock one of those up in a couple of minutes and a look at any given charities web site.

If they gave me a leaflet and/or instructions on how to set up a direct debit via their website, I might do it. I even have a couple of times after being visited where I've done and looked for details to do so. But there's no way in hell I'm giving those kind of details out on spec to a stranger. I can't imagine there are that many people who will, frankly.

I let the last one in. I asked for the website details so I could do it on line, and he was strait up and told me he was on commission.

I don't really see the problem with giving anyone your bank details. After all, it's only the same information you give someone when you write a cheque. It's not like giving someone your pin number or credit card security number.

It's far more dangerous to use your credit card in a restaurant for example. They just need to note the 3 digit number on the back, and you're potentially screwed.
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
JJW009 wrote:
I don't really see the problem with giving anyone your bank details. After all, it's only the same information you give someone when you write a cheque. It's not like giving someone your pin number or credit card security number.

They are walking around, usually with paper forms full of peoples’ bank details. Handy information for any ne'er-do-well who thinks a bit of identity theft may be a wheeze. That information is not secure.

I never give bank details out to people in the street - ID card, tabard or whatever. We all know they are on commission and that the charity won’t actually see any of the money you give for a good year or so (regardless how the accountants like to disguise that fact). If I want to give to a charity, I go straight to the source, not via a third party.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One out of six charities say they may have to close in 2013
JJW009 wrote:
I don't really see the problem with giving anyone your bank details. After all, it's only the same information you give someone when you write a cheque. It's not like giving someone your pin number or credit card security number.
It's far more dangerous to use your credit card in a restaurant for example. They just need to note the 3 digit number on the back, and you're potentially screwed.

In that case I dare you to post your bank account number and sort code on 4Chan. We'll see what happens.

In this case of course you aren't just giving them your account number and sort code - they also will have your name and address because you'll have to give them your name (you have to sign the DD form) and, obviously, they already know where you live.

And, now you mention it, I can't remember the last time I gave someone my card in a restaurant and they walked off with it. These days it seems to be either done with a handheld card reader at the table (although they're a whole other kettle of fish if we're talking about security) or you actually go to a discrete counter/till to pay. Chip & Pin means they have no actual justification for taking your card away any more.


Jon
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