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Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Secret papers show extent of senior royals' veto over bills
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"This is opening the eyes of those who believe the Queen only has a ceremonial role," said Andrew George, Liberal Democrat MP for St Ives

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/1 ... veto-bills
Author:  pcernie [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret papers show extent of senior royals' veto over bills
Wow, that goes a fcuksight further than Charlie's greenwash :o

Nice turnaround with the ministers' recommendations though ;) , and really the only politicians who should be surprised are maybe the Lib Dems.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret papers show extent of senior royals' veto over bills
In some respects the Royal family have a longer term perspective than any government who are only concerned about getting re-elected for the next term. So few have real concerns over whether they are ruining the country as along as they get elected. The Royal family are going to be around for a long time so have the incentive to maintain long term stability.
Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret papers show extent of senior royals' veto over bills
Amnesia10 wrote:
In some respects the Royal family have a longer term perspective than any government who are only concerned about getting re-elected for the next term. So few have real concerns over whether they are ruining the country as along as they get elected. The Royal family are going to be around for a long time so have the incentive to maintain long term stability.

In that case why bother with democracy at all :roll:
Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret papers show extent of senior royals' veto over bills
Linux_User wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
In some respects the Royal family have a longer term perspective than any government who are only concerned about getting re-elected for the next term. So few have real concerns over whether they are ruining the country as along as they get elected. The Royal family are going to be around for a long time so have the incentive to maintain long term stability.

In that case why bother with democracy at all :roll:

What makes you think we do?

In any case, there is some justification for an analyser of government policy that isn't subject to the tides of political fortune the way the HoC is. The lords fulfil that function and have fairly often done a very good job of it, stalling poor legislation proposed by a HoC swept up in a particular 'craze'. A monarchy is as good a way of doing that as any. In fact, any way is good, except by election because the one thing you don't want is for the analyzer to become just another HoC. This is where the American system gets it wrong - too often the Senate and the HoR are just clones of each other, so they actually just endorse each other which is no use to anyone.

You don't want the analyser to be able to propose legislation, that has to be at the will of the at least notional majority. But you want the arbiter of policy to be objective, not simply another slave to public whim.

That is unless you believe that by definition a democratic system is infallible. In which case I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret papers show extent of senior royals' veto over bills
Linux_User wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
In some respects the Royal family have a longer term perspective than any government who are only concerned about getting re-elected for the next term. So few have real concerns over whether they are ruining the country as along as they get elected. The Royal family are going to be around for a long time so have the incentive to maintain long term stability.

In that case why bother with democracy at all :roll:

In some respects I have more faith the Royal family than our politicians. So the numbers of laws is minuscule when you consider how many laws that Blair and Cameron have enacted.
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