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hifidelity2
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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Justice has been done.
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steve74
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:43 pm Posts: 1798 Location: Manchester
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What goes around, comes around.
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JohnSheridan
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:10 pm Posts: 1057
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JJW009
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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I think the whole thing is tragic. Even more so the way some people celebrate a death.
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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It not a case of celebrating a death, it's case of not feeling the usual sense of sadness.
Though I can see why those involved would celebrate it. If that was my children he'd done that to, I'd be delighted if he suffered a drawn out agonising death.
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Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:36 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
Spends far too much time on here
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:44 pm Posts: 4860
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Amnesia10
Legend
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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This is the risk that every child killer or paedophile faces in gaol.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:14 am |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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It's deferred revenge rather than justice (after all, it won't bring the child back) but I find it pretty much impossible to have any sympathy for him.
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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depends on your definition of justice. good old wiki puts forward these types  |  |  |  | Quote: Variations of justice
Utilitarianism is a form of consequentialism, where punishment is forward-looking. Justified by the ability to achieve future social benefits resulting in crime reduction, the moral worth of an action is determined by its outcome. Retributive justice regulates proportionate response to crime proven by lawful evidence, so that punishment is justly imposed and considered as morally correct and fully deserved. The law of retaliation (lex talionis) is a military theory of retributive justice, which says that reciprocity should be equal to the wrong suffered; "life for life, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."[7] Restorative justice is concerned not so much with retribution and punishment as with (a) making the victim whole and (b) reintegrating the offender into society. This approach frequently brings an offender and a victim together, so that the offender can better understand the effect his/her offense had on the victim. Distributive justice is directed at the proper allocation of things—wealth, power, reward, respect—among different people. |  |  |  |  |
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Spreadie
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:06 pm Posts: 6355 Location: IoW
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I think it's tragic that you're suggesting that simple eye for an eye comments are celebrating death. He tortured and killed a toddler, I'm perfectly OK with not having to pay for his upkeep any more.
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ShockWaffle
Doesn't have much of a life
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:50 am Posts: 1911
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This thread happens regularly. In every case the sole reason for originating the thread is to voice satisfaction at the outcome. After a while somebody with a sense of decency reminds you all that gloating over any death is uncivilized.
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Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:29 am |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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I'm not commenting on this thread or any others you're alluding to, but I honestly believe there are people in this world who deserve everything they get if we simply aren't gonna make real changes to just about every aspect of the justice system. In that absence, or indeed proper study of said sick fcuks, nothing's gonna change. At it's most basic, we need evidence of what works long term and what doesn't. And that costs money and a willingness to admit these stories go a lot deeper than just headlines.
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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My definition would involve the child still being alive. Having them both dead, to my mind, doesn't actually make the situation any better all that much since I don't consider his life to be worth anything anyway. I don't see how losing something worthless improves things.
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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+1 We need to see justice that actually rehabilitates people to reduce crime. Not for it to act as university of crime.
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