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Patients should be charged £20 to see a GP in a bid to limit demands placed on the health service, a centre-right think-tank says.

The Social Market Foundation said forcing people to pay a fee for an appointment could help the NHS cope in the tight financial times ahead.

The group said it would not breach the values of the NHS as charges already applied to dentistry and prescriptions.

But both the government and doctors said they were against such a move.

The think-tank said the NHS was facing a tough couple of years.

While funding is guaranteed until 2011, many are expecting the budget to be frozen or cut after that to help pay back the debts accrued bailing out the banks.

The Social Market Foundation said the only way for the NHS to cope was to raise taxes to put more money into the system, limit demand or work more effectively.

The NHS is already looking to make savings and the think-tank said there was little appetite for tax rises.

Instead, they said charging for GPs would be a good way to reduce demand.

Report author David Furness said: "It would get people thinking twice about whether the visit was essential.

"If we don't introduce rationing like this, there will be rationing by stealth through waiting lists, crumbling hospitals and poor quality services."

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He said the move was not about making money and insisted even a small charge like this could help reduce appointments by about 5%.

He said children and those receiving tax credits should not be charged and said the think-tank was opposed to fees being levied on any form of emergency care.

But Dr Chaand Nagpaul, of the British Medical Association's GPs committee, said the union was opposed to charging.

"All patients have a right to free healthcare that is based on their clinical needs, not the size of their bank balance.

"I would also be concerned that charging some of my patients to see me would undermine the doctor-patient relationship. Many would be put off coming to their local surgery when they might need care."

A spokeswoman for the Department of Health said ministers were also against introducing charging like this.

She said it would be against the "founding principles of the NHS".


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This is a disgraceful idea. It would see poorer members of society put their health at risk by not seeing a doctor due to the cost. It could even cost lives. :evil:

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... But both the government and doctors said they were against such a move.... Dr Chaand Nagpaul, of the British Medical Association's GPs committee, said the union was opposed to charging.

"All patients have a right to free healthcare that is based on their clinical needs, not the size of their bank balance.

"I would also be concerned that charging some of my patients to see me would undermine the doctor-patient relationship. Many would be put off coming to their local surgery when they might need care."

A spokeswoman for the Department of Health said ministers were also against introducing charging like this.

She said it would be against the "founding principles of the NHS".


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This is a disgraceful idea. It would see poorer members of society put their health at risk by not seeing a doctor due to the cost. It could even cost lives. :evil:


Seeing as everyone agrees with you, even the government, it's not going to happen.

Now they just need to do away with dental check-up fees and perhaps we'd save money in the long term. Prevention is better than thousands of pounds worth of pain.

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This is horrendous.

Having done a four month stint in GP, I found that only a small number of people actually don't need to a doctor. The majority do and charging for the service would reduce the numbers of people who do need to attend as delaying it could mean more/longer hospital stays, costing more money.

If you're not gonna charge the poor, the elderly and the unemployed, you're charging people who work - those who have to take time off work to attend, and they're gonna lose more money just to see a GP.

Furthermore, if someone has to see a GP (£20) and needs some prescriptions (say, 2x£7) that's £34 just to see a GP! I'd like to see this stop now and I'd like the abolition of prescription charges.

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i remember when they put the prescription charge in place
20p for each item to cover admin costs now its about £7 per item

if they start this it will go on and on and the cost up and up …

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In Germany, you have to pay a €10 administration fee for the first time you see the doctor in a quarter. This can be re-imbursed if you are unemployed. Each doctor you see will request the €10 on the first visit, but if you go to a doctor you've already paid to see, they have to provide you with a referal slip for the next doctor, saying that you've already paid the admin fee.

You also need to show your medical chip card.

It is a pain, but it works well enough. When I had chest problems, my GP gave me a stack of referal slips for all the other docs in the area, so seeing 4 specialists didn't cost me a penny, over-and-above the €10 I paid at the GP.

But having to pay 20UKP for each visit, to each doctor, is out of order.

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Everyone on benefits wouldnt have to pay as usual. Just another 'tax' for the working population.

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Everyone on benefits wouldnt have to pay as usual. Just another 'tax' for the working population.


Yes but I am sure that those on benefits would not support those working pay. I also am in support of chemists allowing patients to buy off the shelf medicines if they are cheaper rather than pay the prescription. At the moment that is illegal.

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Everyone on benefits wouldnt have to pay as usual. Just another 'tax' for the working population.


Yes but I am sure that those on benefits would not support those working pay. I also am in support of chemists allowing patients to buy off the shelf medicines if they are cheaper rather than pay the prescription. At the moment that is illegal.

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I always suspect these stories are put out to enable them to get away with something else tbh - use this story to draw the ire out, then introduce something a bit fluffier but still detrimental to the public...

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Yes but these think tanks do things so that they can find the limit of public acceptability then the government come out with a compromise, like a £10 charge as a compromise.

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Yes but these think tanks do things so that they can find the limit of public acceptability then the government come out with a compromise, like a £10 charge as a compromise.


That's what I'd expect, it's just a variant on saying your opponent accused you of something when they didn't, knowing you'll come off better in the inevitable compromise...

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I'd oppose any charge, even it was £1. Health care should be free, no ifs or buts. And I personally believe that should go for dentistry too. People should not have to suffer or put themselves at risk because they were worried about the cost or worse, had to start making choices about whether to eat this week or see the GP.

And big_D, I'd even oppose the German system. As I said, healthcare should be free, charging for it is not morally right IMO.

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And big_D, I'd even oppose the German system. As I said, healthcare should be free, charging for it is not morally right IMO.


I agree. It doesn't matter how much the charge is. The fact is that the charge shouldn't exist. Whether it's 20quid, 10euro or 1rupee it's still wrong.

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Germany doesn't have a National Health Service, in the strictest, English, sense of the word. We have a private health system, with privately run health insurance companies doing all the bookeeping and making payments. You have to belong to one of the insurance companies - you belong to the one your parents use, by default, until you choose your own. If you are made unemployed or otherwise don't have any work, the government pays fully for the "Krankenkasse" instead of paying contributions, along with your employer.

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Well in that case it's a wonderful system, and I wish I lived in Germany. :? :lol:

What is your point D?

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