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Linux_User
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Courtesy of Aunty. This is a disgraceful idea. It would see poorer members of society put their health at risk by not seeing a doctor due to the cost. It could even cost lives. 
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JJW009
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:58 pm Posts: 8767 Location: behind the sofa
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Seeing as everyone agrees with you, even the government, it's not going to happen. Now they just need to do away with dental check-up fees and perhaps we'd save money in the long term. Prevention is better than thousands of pounds worth of pain.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:44 am |
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cloaked_wolf
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm Posts: 10022
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This is horrendous.
Having done a four month stint in GP, I found that only a small number of people actually don't need to a doctor. The majority do and charging for the service would reduce the numbers of people who do need to attend as delaying it could mean more/longer hospital stays, costing more money.
If you're not gonna charge the poor, the elderly and the unemployed, you're charging people who work - those who have to take time off work to attend, and they're gonna lose more money just to see a GP.
Furthermore, if someone has to see a GP (£20) and needs some prescriptions (say, 2x£7) that's £34 just to see a GP! I'd like to see this stop now and I'd like the abolition of prescription charges.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:14 am |
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MrStevenRogers
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i remember when they put the prescription charge in place 20p for each item to cover admin costs now its about £7 per item
if they start this it will go on and on and the cost up and up …
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:15 am |
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big_D
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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In Germany, you have to pay a €10 administration fee for the first time you see the doctor in a quarter. This can be re-imbursed if you are unemployed. Each doctor you see will request the €10 on the first visit, but if you go to a doctor you've already paid to see, they have to provide you with a referal slip for the next doctor, saying that you've already paid the admin fee.
You also need to show your medical chip card.
It is a pain, but it works well enough. When I had chest problems, my GP gave me a stack of referal slips for all the other docs in the area, so seeing 4 specialists didn't cost me a penny, over-and-above the €10 I paid at the GP.
But having to pay 20UKP for each visit, to each doctor, is out of order.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:43 am |
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veato
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:17 am Posts: 5550 Location: Nottingham
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Everyone on benefits wouldnt have to pay as usual. Just another 'tax' for the working population.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:07 am |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but I am sure that those on benefits would not support those working pay. I also am in support of chemists allowing patients to buy off the shelf medicines if they are cheaper rather than pay the prescription. At the moment that is illegal.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:10 am |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but I am sure that those on benefits would not support those working pay. I also am in support of chemists allowing patients to buy off the shelf medicines if they are cheaper rather than pay the prescription. At the moment that is illegal.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:11 am |
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pcernie
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I always suspect these stories are put out to enable them to get away with something else tbh - use this story to draw the ire out, then introduce something a bit fluffier but still detrimental to the public...
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:14 am |
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Amnesia10
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Yes but these think tanks do things so that they can find the limit of public acceptability then the government come out with a compromise, like a £10 charge as a compromise.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:17 am |
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pcernie
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That's what I'd expect, it's just a variant on saying your opponent accused you of something when they didn't, knowing you'll come off better in the inevitable compromise...
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:30 am |
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Linux_User
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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I'd oppose any charge, even it was £1. Health care should be free, no ifs or buts. And I personally believe that should go for dentistry too. People should not have to suffer or put themselves at risk because they were worried about the cost or worse, had to start making choices about whether to eat this week or see the GP.
And big_D, I'd even oppose the German system. As I said, healthcare should be free, charging for it is not morally right IMO.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:37 pm |
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Nick
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:36 pm Posts: 3527 Location: Portsmouth
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I agree. It doesn't matter how much the charge is. The fact is that the charge shouldn't exist. Whether it's 20quid, 10euro or 1rupee it's still wrong.
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big_D
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Germany doesn't have a National Health Service, in the strictest, English, sense of the word. We have a private health system, with privately run health insurance companies doing all the bookeeping and making payments. You have to belong to one of the insurance companies - you belong to the one your parents use, by default, until you choose your own. If you are made unemployed or otherwise don't have any work, the government pays fully for the "Krankenkasse" instead of paying contributions, along with your employer.
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Nick
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Well in that case it's a wonderful system, and I wish I lived in Germany. What is your point D?
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