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Derby fire deaths: Three guilty
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Author:  Paul1965 [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:20 pm ]
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From the BBC:

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The parents of six children who died after a house fire in Derby have been convicted of their manslaughter, along with their friend. Mick Philpott and Paul Mosley were found guilty by unanimous verdicts, while Mairead Philpott was convicted by a majority, at Nottingham Crown Court.

Philpott hoped the fire would frame his ex-mistress for the attack so he could win custody of his children.


I remember seeing the Philpotts on TV asking for witnesses and information from the public and thinking "They did it." I assumed it was to get a bigger council house but it looks like he wanted custody of his kids to get more benefit money too.

More here.
Author:  steve74 [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:22 pm ]
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Scum of the earth...
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But the jurors were not told that Philpott had been jailed in 1978 for attempting to murder a 17-year-old ex-girlfriend.
He stabbed her 13 times as she lay sleeping after she ended their relationship, and also attacked her mother when she intervened.

I don't understand why the jury weren't told of this earlier incident. Surely, that's as relevant to this attack in showing his true character.

I pity the remaining children left to pick up the pieces.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:30 pm ]
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steve74 wrote:
Scum of the earth...
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But the jurors were not told that Philpott had been jailed in 1978 for attempting to murder a 17-year-old ex-girlfriend.
He stabbed her 13 times as she lay sleeping after she ended their relationship, and also attacked her mother when she intervened.

I don't understand why the jury weren't told of this earlier incident. Surely, that's as relevant to this attack in showing his true character.

Yes but how would he get a fair trial if this was known by the jury. Many people would have found him guilty without considering any more evidence. Also what if someone was genuinely innocent, but had a past. Many people do go through difficult times of their lives when they do all sorts of things does not mean he was guilty.

steve74 wrote:
I pity the remaining children left to pick up the pieces.

Yes and the rest of the family (who will be looking for a bigger council house and more benefits /s)
Author:  pcernie [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:33 pm ]
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They knew of violence in some capacity

Jurors heard that Philpott had been violent and controlling towards his former live-in mistress, Lisa Willis.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:09 pm ]
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Just watching Channel 4 News and finding out that he had been on Jeremy Kyle Show.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:06 pm ]
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I'm still surprised they weren't done for murder. The act of starting the fire was deliberate rather than accidental after all.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:34 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
I'm still surprised they weren't done for murder. The act of starting the fire was deliberate rather than accidental after all.

Murder is premeditation to kill. That was not the intention. So manslaughter charges are appropriate. They could still get life.
Author:  JohnSheridan [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:37 pm ]
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Hanging's too good for them - pity we don't have it though.

Six kid's lives cut short because of their parents greed.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:44 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Murder is premeditation to kill. That was not the intention. So manslaughter charges are appropriate. They could still get life.

I hope they get life with a very very long minimum sentence.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:40 am ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Murder is premeditation to kill. That was not the intention. So manslaughter charges are appropriate. They could still get life.

I hope they get life with a very very long minimum sentence.

Same here. They really should have thought it through and stopped.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:57 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Murder is premeditation to kill. That was not the intention. So manslaughter charges are appropriate. They could still get life.

I hope they get life with a very very long minimum sentence.

Same here. They really should have thought it through and stopped.

By the sound of things, they haven't ever thought a single thing through their entire lives.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:21 am ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
By the sound of things, they haven't ever thought a single thing through their entire lives.

I have seen professionals do the same thing at work. Failure to think things through is a lot more widespread than should be the case. Look at the numbers of politicians who make policy and statements and then have to rapidly backtrack. I think it is down to arrogance. They do not think that they will caught or are wrong.
Author:  Paul1965 [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:28 am ]
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Update:

Derby fire deaths: Philpotts and Mosley jailed

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A father convicted of killing six of his children in a house fire in Derby has been jailed for life at Nottingham Crown Court.

Mick Philpott was told he would serve a minimum of 15 years in prison.

He was convicted of manslaughter on Tuesday together with his wife Mairead and friend Paul Mosley, who have both been given 17-year sentences.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:53 pm ]
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That's less than three years per child.
It should have been a minimum of thirty years in my opinion. I'd have preferred life without parole though.
Author:  steve74 [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:13 pm ]
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I'm guessing, because they were charged with manslaughter rather than murder, that 15 years is the maximum they can be sentenced to? I was hoping he'd get a life sentence, but that's probably wishful thinking.
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