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Author:  pcernie [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Five-Year-Old Girl Shoots Herself In The Head
http://news.sky.com/story/1107388/five- ... n-the-head

The mother should be charged with neglect at the very least :evil:
Author:  ProfessorF [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:51 pm ]
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FFS, America, sort out your gun laws.
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:07 pm ]
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Nothing to do with gun laws IMO but more to do with child safety - that could easily have been a knife/bottle of bleach/lit stove etc.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:30 pm ]
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A bottle of bleach, a knife, a lit stove are all eminently more survivable than a bullet in your skull.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:37 pm ]
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But the principle is the same.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:41 pm ]
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Not really. Chances are, with any of the items listed, she'd still be here.
The guns are designed as weapons. They're not handy in the kitchen, or useful for cleaning a toilet.
If guns aren't so deadly, we really need to have a word with the MOD, I think they've made a terrible mistake in their planning.
Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:09 pm ]
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It would never have happened if babies were born with guns.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:22 pm ]
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cloaked_wolf wrote:
Nothing to do with gun laws IMO but more to do with child safety - that could easily have been a knife/bottle of bleach/lit stove etc.

If the child had read the safety handbook?


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Author:  big_D [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:00 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
FFS, America, sort out your gun laws.

And parenting, you don't leave a five year old alone at home!

This is a fail on all levels.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:18 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
Not really.

I disagree. This is a question of responsible parenting. Leaving a five year old, home alone, with things that could harm them is a bad thing. It's the same principle regardless of what that item is.
Author:  AlunD [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:27 am ]
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FFS struggling to keep my response civil.
Wrong on so many levels dear god ! :twisted:
Author:  hifidelity2 [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:54 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
cloaked_wolf wrote:
Nothing to do with gun laws IMO but more to do with child safety - that could easily have been a knife/bottle of bleach/lit stove etc.

If the child had read the safety handbook?


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I blame the schools - If they had compulsory gun safety training in the Primary schools then this would not have happened :shock: ;)
Author:  ProfessorF [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:22 am ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
Not really.

I disagree. This is a question of responsible parenting. Leaving a five year old, home alone, with things that could harm them is a bad thing. It's the same principle regardless of what that item is.


Yes it is, you're right, but if the gun wasn't in the house chances are she'd still be alive.
Yes, it's a huge fail in so many ways, but the degree of fail would've been vastly lessened had there not been a gun in the house.
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:25 pm ]
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If the gun had been secured, there would have been no danger to the child. Having a gun in the house wasn't an issue IMO it was about how it was stored/kept safe.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:50 pm ]
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cloaked_wolf wrote:
Having a gun in the house wasn't an issue IMO it was about how it was stored/kept safe.


Yeah but this is America, where the Mexican drug gang/Al Qaeda/Government are always about to come in through your door, so people don't store guns terribly well.
Most people erroneously buy them believing in 'home protection' or 'personal protection', at which point having them locked in a safe means they're not doing their job.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB4535/index1.html wrote:
The data show that many firearms in homes with children are dangerously accessible. In 9 percent of homes with children and firearms, at least one firearm is stored unlocked and loaded, and in another 4 percent at least one firearm is unlocked, unloaded, and stored with ammunition. This means that in about 13 percent of homes with children and firearms--about 2.6 million children in 1.4 million homes--firearms are stored in a way that makes them most accessible to children. Overall, fewer than half of the U.S. families with firearms and children store firearms locked (either in a locked place or secured with a trigger lock) and separate from ammunition.


This event was not unusual in the USA.
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