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Author:  pcernie [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Former Today boss Eddy Shah cleared of schoolgirl rape
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23291465

Either it was brown envelopes all round, or there was next to no evidence whatsoever :o
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:49 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
Either it was brown envelopes all round, or there was next to no evidence whatsoever :o

I suspect the latter. Though why prosecute if that is the case?
Author:  jonbwfc [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:51 pm ]
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There's a continuing complaint that rape cases aren't prosecuted frequently enough. Maybe somebody wanted to get the stats up?
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:02 pm ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
There's a continuing complaint that rape cases aren't prosecuted frequently enough. Maybe somebody wanted to get the stats up?

That is true but the majority of rapes are from people that the victim knows, and those are quite hard to get prosecutions for.
Author:  ShockWaffle [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:36 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23291465

Either it was brown envelopes all round, or there was next to no evidence whatsoever :o

It's a rape case reported years after the event. I'm wondering what you are expecting in the way of evidence.
Author:  pcernie [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:04 am ]
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ShockWaffle wrote:
pcernie wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23291465

Either it was brown envelopes all round, or there was next to no evidence whatsoever :o

It's a rape case reported years after the event. I'm wondering what you are expecting in the way of evidence.


Well, enough for it to go to court with a reasonable chance of not everyone walking away? ;)

I'm wondering what the CPS (still called that?) thought they had.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:31 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
pcernie wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23291465

Either it was brown envelopes all round, or there was next to no evidence whatsoever :o

It's a rape case reported years after the event. I'm wondering what you are expecting in the way of evidence.


Well, enough for it to go to court with a reasonable chance of not everyone walking away? ;)

I'm wondering what the CPS (still called that?) thought they had.
a high profile person with a complaint made against him in a climate of we must be seen to be doing something. No physical evidence and just one persons word against another.

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Author:  ShockWaffle [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:46 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
Well, enough for it to go to court with a reasonable chance of not everyone walking away? ;)

And again. What do you think that would be? Perhaps it is only rape if you get a receipt.
Author:  Spreadie [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:31 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
pcernie wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
It's a rape case reported years after the event. I'm wondering what you are expecting in the way of evidence.


Well, enough for it to go to court with a reasonable chance of not everyone walking away? ;)

I'm wondering what the CPS (still called that?) thought they had.
a high profile person with a complaint made against him in a climate of we must be seen to be doing something. No physical evidence and just one persons word against another.

And yet they are looking at Stuart Hall's sentence with a view to increasing it. Looks like personal words carry some weight.
Author:  pcernie [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:09 pm ]
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ShockWaffle wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Well, enough for it to go to court with a reasonable chance of not everyone walking away? ;)

And again. What do you think that would be? Perhaps it is only rape if you get a receipt.


Corroborating statements? Journal/ledger entries? Mr IT's computer and life online and off (they were able to track him down after all this time)? Statements from friends of the girl, for talk's sake?

Three alleged rapes of the girl and the jury still threw it out... All I'm suggesting is the evidence such as it was quite possibly should never have gone to court in the first place, and Eddy has certainly been playing up to that at least. But then I'm wondering what the CPS used of what the police brought them too.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:58 pm ]
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Spreadie wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
pcernie wrote:
[quote="ShockWaffle"]It's a rape case reported years after the event. I'm wondering what you are expecting in the way of evidence.


Well, enough for it to go to court with a reasonable chance of not everyone walking away? ;)

I'm wondering what the CPS (still called that?) thought they had.
a high profile person with a complaint made against him in a climate of we must be seen to be doing something. No physical evidence and just one persons word against another.

And yet they are looking at Stuart Hall's sentence with a view to increasing it. Looks like personal words carry some weight.[/quote] in Stuart hall's case he admitted it (in the end)

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Author:  ShockWaffle [ Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:27 am ]
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pcernie wrote:
Corroborating statements? Journal/ledger entries? Mr IT's computer and life online and off (they were able to track him down after all this time)? Statements from friends of the girl, for talk's sake?

Circumstantial evidence in other words.
Author:  pcernie [ Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:45 am ]
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ShockWaffle wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Corroborating statements? Journal/ledger entries? Mr IT's computer and life online and off (they were able to track him down after all this time)? Statements from friends of the girl, for talk's sake?

Circumstantial evidence in other words.


That's not for you or me to decide, that's why there was a jury. That's why I'm left wondering at all the trouble to even bring this case to court if there really was so little to it.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:22 am ]
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i believe that this case was a warning shot over the bows of the other investigations being carried out at this time that go back 50+ years
they are stating to the victims, little chance of conviction, so forget it. get over it

its seems the system(s) is protecting the abusers of these children
care homes, hospitals, TV studios and many unnamed and unknown places that still need to found and investigated

these abusers were in positions to carry out these abuses, and at the time never found out (covered up), even if it was known at the time. but are now in very powerful positions (50+ years later) are able to control the investigations and the outcome of the results of these investigations and the direction of these investigations (it just may be me but the courts seem to protect these abusers when brought to trail and if found guilty, sentenced)

there will be no justice just a complete cover up using the weakest/flimsiest case evidence for some cases, to ensure no conviction, which will enable the serious abusers to get away scot free for the more/most serious of other offences of this kind that need to be brought before the courts, they seem to be controlling/directing the system and investigations and the results/outcome of any judgement(s) reached

do not underestimate the resolve of these abusers, they will go to any, and i mine any, lengths to avoid being found out so evade facing the full force of justice ...

this is IMHO and MHO only ...
Author:  ShockWaffle [ Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:00 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Corroborating statements? Journal/ledger entries? Mr IT's computer and life online and off (they were able to track him down after all this time)? Statements from friends of the girl, for talk's sake?

Circumstantial evidence in other words.


That's not for you or me to decide, that's why there was a jury. That's why I'm left wondering at all the trouble to even bring this case to court if there really was so little to it.

There was no possibility of any other evidence. Somebody decided that the case had to go ahead with testimony only, and guilt was for the jury to decide. Not you or me.
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