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Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:26 am ]
Post subject:  Online pornography to be blocked by default
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Every household in the UK is to have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless they choose to receive it, David Cameron is to announce.

In addition, Mr Cameron will say possessing online pornography depicting rape will be illegal, bringing England and Wales in line with Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

So, Cameron is handwringing about this, and is playing “won’t someone think of the children” card. He’s also expecting that people with dark motives for using the internet will be using Google to look for images and won’t have some kind of encrypted proxy in place. I expect he’s not considering the possibility that content will be handed around on USB drives and other media.

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But former Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre boss Jim Gamble told BBC Radio 4's Today programme it was important to "get to the root cause" of illegal pornography, by catching those responsible for creating it.

He added: "You need a real deterrent, not a pop-up that paedophiles will laugh at."


Personally, I am more in favour of legislation for this - simply because if we are to have internet censorship, then it has to come from a legal framework, not from nebulous corporate moralising steered by a politician. It would also mean that we would actually know what is meant to be censored out, and what the intent is.

Today, people have been posting on Twitter screen grabs of splash screens thrown up at them from various networks (ie libraries, coffee shops) telling them that they have been denied access to stories in the Guardian on this subject. Here’s an example.
https://twitter.com/Harkaway/status/359217408331890688
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:41 am ]
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paulzolo wrote:
So, Cameron is handwringing about this, and is playing “won’t someone think of the children” card. He’s also expecting that people with dark motives for using the internet will be using Google to look for images and won’t have some kind of encrypted proxy in place. I expect he’s not considering the possibility that content will be handed around on USB drives and other media.

Yes. It's especially sad given the evidence of it is right in front of his face. CEOP recently reported that 90% of the illegal material they have recovered from offender's computers was sourced from peer to peer networks and usenet, not via web pages. Usenet is rather hard to block if the user is even vaguely savvy. Peer to peer traffic is bordering on impossible if the person using it is at all motivated to make it work.

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He added: "You need a real deterrent, not a pop-up that paedophiles will laugh at."

And the majority of whom will only ever see it once anyway.

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Personally, I am more in favour of legislation for this - simply because if we are to have internet censorship, then it has to come from a legal framework, not from nebulous corporate moralising steered by a politician. It would also mean that we would actually know what is meant to be censored out, and what the intent is.

The other issue of course is what the definition of 'pornography' is. If someone gets aroused by it (and let's be honest someone would..) is a greek statue in the British Museum pornography? There's an old saying 'what I get turned up by is art, what you get turned on by is erotica, what he gets turned on by is pornography'. How far are we going to go? Playboy? Page 3? How long before someone making something it is perfectly legal to sell gets their website blocked by the Great Cameron Firewall because it's a bit rude then sues the government for restraint of trade?

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Today, people have been posting on Twitter screen grabs of splash screens thrown up at them from various networks (ie libraries, coffee shops) telling them that they have been denied access to stories in the Guardian on this subject. Here’s an example.
https://twitter.com/Harkaway/status/359217408331890688

Indeed. The problem with prohibitions is they hardly ever stop the criminal, they mostly only stop the honest man doing something he might otherwise have legally enjoyed. This was true of alcohol prohibition in the states, it's true of the change in gun laws post Dunblane in the UK. it will be true of this. The things it's telling people it will stop are already illegal anyway, and those wishing to do those things will not be further intimidated or discouraged from doing so and will be frankly only mildly inconvenienced by it. But it will cost the rest of us to get it set up and it will inconvenience us every time there's a false positive. Amazon.co.uk sells porn for pity's sake, are they doing to block that?

Selling off the post office and attempting to put a dam on the internet. Even Thatcher at her worst wasn't this crazy, and she was never this stupid.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Online pornography to be blocked by default
I'm going out on a limb here, but can we assume that if you choose to disable the filter and say 'Yes please, I'd like some porn on my computer', you'll be flagged and put on a list?
Author:  Paul1965 [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:06 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
I'm going out on a limb here, but can we assume that if you choose to disable the filter and say 'Yes please, I'd like some porn on my computer', you'll be flagged and put on a list?


Exactly. How does that look? "Yes, I do want porn."
Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:09 pm ]
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The National Gallery is a massive collection of erotica from the past. Don't think that for one moment an artist was commissioned to paint a classical scene with a few nude ladies in it because it was "artistic".

Don't forget - the current government cut CEOP's funding.
Author:  james016 [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:43 pm ]
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Politicians in not getting it at all shocker.

Someone should remind them that they cut CEOP's budget last year.

Educating parents doesn't seem to be on the agenda at all either
Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:26 pm ]
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Here is Cameron's speech should you wish to read it.

http://www.conservatives.com/News/Speec ... nline.aspx
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:31 pm ]
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Paul1965 wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
I'm going out on a limb here, but can we assume that if you choose to disable the filter and say 'Yes please, I'd like some porn on my computer', you'll be flagged and put on a list?


Exactly. How does that look? "Yes, I do want porn."

Well I want porn! :)


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Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:30 pm ]
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We can tick one of the boxes: protecting children.

Next it will be protecting us from terrorism, and a whole wider gamut of online content blocked.

Then what?
Author:  Paul1965 [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:41 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
We can tick one of the boxes: protecting children.

Next it will be protecting us from terrorism, and a whole wider gamut of online content blocked.

Then what?


The Rachel Riley thread on here will be next to go!
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:09 pm ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
Paul1965 wrote:
ProfessorF wrote:
I'm going out on a limb here, but can we assume that if you choose to disable the filter and say 'Yes please, I'd like some porn on my computer', you'll be flagged and put on a list?

Exactly. How does that look? "Yes, I do want porn."

Well I want porn! :)

If they ask, I'll say I don't particularly want porn but I don't want you useless feckers deciding what I can and cannot see either.
Author:  steve74 [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:11 pm ]
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Paul1965 wrote:
The Rachel Riley thread on here will be next to go!

...that's after the NSFW thread!

ProfessorF wrote:
if you choose to disable the filter and say 'Yes please, I'd like some porn on my computer', you'll be flagged and put on a list?

Yes, presumably you'll be put on "The W@nkers Database" and shunned from society.

And what about work? Talk about lowering productivity in a recession...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3BNsttZQGQ
(I'm joking of course, but ironically, NSFW content!)
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:06 pm ]
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Leaked opt-out form
Author:  big_D [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:59 pm ]
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Next, they will ban kettles that warm water above body temperature and the same for cookers and ovens, no hot food, little Johnny might injure himself!!!!
Author:  james016 [ Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:10 pm ]
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May as well turn off the internet

And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNARJPNz2CA
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