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The government is to consider curbing the building of so-called "rabbit hutch" homes in England.

In a consultation being launched on Tuesday, it said it was considering the introduction of basic space standards.

The Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) said England may already have some of the smallest houses in Europe.

Since the 1920s the average living space in some types of home has fallen by more than a third.

As a result the DCLG is also thinking about the possibility of "space labelling", which would give consumers a clear understanding of how much room there was in any property.

The idea has been welcomed by the Royal Institution of British Architects (Riba).

"We are pleased to see the government consulting on space standards, our public research has repeatedly revealed that space in new homes is a major concern," said Harry Rich, Riba's chief executive.

According to Riba figures, the size of a typical new terraced house has shrunk from more than 1,000 sq ft in the 1920s, to 645 sq ft now.

Architects have also highlighted the lack of storage space in new homes, and poor daylight.

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At the same time the DCLG wants to cut red tape for housebuilders.

It is planning to abolish 90 out of 100 housebuilding rules that can be applied by local authorities.

Among the rules set to go are a requirement for some buildings to collect their own rainwater.

The DCLG has pointed out that up to now this rule has applied even in areas where there is no water shortage.

Also set to go is a rule that home offices should have multiple phone sockets, on top of any broadband connection.

"Moving from 100 standards to 10 is a good start in reducing red tape, while safeguarding good quality home building," said David Orr, the chief executive of the National Housing Federation.

"But we look forward to seeing further details of the review," he said.

The government consultation will run until October 2013.

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Bigger homes at a bigger cost no doubt. £200k for a breeding box or £300K for room to swing a cat.

It's not as if plot space is at a premium either - councils are selling off huge swathes of waste land to the big housebuilders for next to nothing - as little as £10-£15k per plot, because they believe it will generate jobs and business for the area. The housebuilders have to hit a "green" score by sourcing materials locally as well as responsibly to get planning, but what usually happens if they put in plans for a Biomass plant which gets them the score they need; then they ship everything in from far and wide and the lowest cost they can.

Easing of restrictions will just make even more money for the housebuilders - no savings or benefits are passed on the the buyers or local communities.

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Bigger homes at a bigger cost no doubt. £200k for a breeding box or £300K for room to swing a cat.

It's not as if plot space is at a premium either - councils are selling off huge swathes of waste land to the big housebuilders for next to nothing - as little as £10-£15k per plot, because they believe it will generate jobs and business for the area. The housebuilders have to hit a "green" score by sourcing materials locally as well as responsibly to get planning, but what usually happens if they put in plans for a Biomass plant which gets them the score they need; then they ship everything in from far and wide and the lowest cost they can.

Easing of restrictions will just make even more money for the housebuilders - no savings or benefits are passed on the the buyers or local communities.

It would be better if the councils sub contracted the building and then they could sell the properties and either fund affordable homes or use them to house those on the social housing waiting lists.

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Or if they sold off the plots to individuals and the individuals employed local builders to build their houses like they do in France, and I'm sure, the rest of Europe. I could afford that.

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Or if they sold off the plots to individuals and the individuals employed local builders to build their houses like they do in France, and I'm sure, the rest of Europe. I could afford that.

Self building is a good option. Not going to be done by this government. Self builders do not pay enough political donations to overwhelm the donations of the big house-builders.

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Or if they sold off the plots to individuals and the individuals employed local builders to build their houses like they do in France, and I'm sure, the rest of Europe. I could afford that.

That is the same in Germany. There are few 'estates' in the British sense. There are groups of houses, but it is still fairly rare for them to all be built on spec and sold. Usually you buy a plot of land, hire an architect and build the house you want. A lot of people also build a large part of the house themselves. They need to hire a master to keep an eye on the building of the house, but they can do large parts of it themselves.

My wife's family have built or remodelled nearly a dozen houses over the years. When we ripped out the ground floor here, the whole family turned up and helped gut the house and rebuild it. It took several weekends, but we did most of it ourselves.

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I would have thought the costs of building your own house would be higher than if a builder built it?

I live in a crappy 3-bed terraced house. Yet the rooms are much larger than modern 3-bed semi detached houses. The upstairs toilet is the smallest room and is still larger than some of the "box" bedrooms I've seen.

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It's not as if plot space is at a premium either - councils are selling off huge swathes of waste land to the big housebuilders for next to nothing - as little as £10-£15k per plot

I should add that those rates are for small and medium sized estates. Land for supersized estates is often bought for a token sum. One housebuilder got the land for over 500 homes on one estate for less than a million quid! I'm sure there are some other considerations there, but what happened to competition law? How on earth does an independent housebuilder compete on build cost when the big boys are getting land that cheap?

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I would have thought the costs of building your own house would be higher than if a builder built it?

I live in a crappy 3-bed terraced house. Yet the rooms are much larger than modern 3-bed semi detached houses. The upstairs toilet is the smallest room and is still larger than some of the "box" bedrooms I've seen.

If you build it yourself, you don't pay for the labour. That can be a large part of the total amount.

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There are some very good Passivehaus modular constructions.

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I would have thought the costs of building your own house would be higher than if a builder built it?


Yes, but they don't sell it at cost. They make a healthy profit as well as charging you the full cost of the land it's on that they got at a discount.

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