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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Government may back down on legal aid reforms
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/sep ... oncessions

G4S, as if they hadn't did enough damage to the justice system...
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Government may back down on legal aid reforms
They are back tracking on a number of key policies. Even the universal credit is showing serious problems. It could be managerial incompetence by senior civil servants or incompetence by ministers or a combination of both. Take your pick.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Government may back down on legal aid reforms
Universal credit makes sense. It just a case of how to bring it in in a practical manor.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Government may back down on legal aid reforms
l3v1ck wrote:
Universal credit makes sense. It just a case of how to bring it in in a practical manor.

It does but the problem is that there will be people who need additional support such as the disabled.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Government may back down on legal aid reforms
I thought that was to be included in the universal credit.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Government may back down on legal aid reforms
l3v1ck wrote:
I thought that was to be included in the universal credit.

There are additions in the ESA. There are two additional bands in the ESA. Though how that will transition to the Universal Credit I have no idea.
Author:  hifidelity2 [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Government may back down on legal aid reforms
Amnesia10 wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
I thought that was to be included in the universal credit.

There are additions in the ESA. There are two additional bands in the ESA. Though how that will transition to the Universal Credit I have no idea.

The problem is that the whole benifits / tax credit system is so complex that its almost impossible to reform as there are a million and one pressure groups who will jump up and down prtiesting about every change. Also the opposition will naturally spread scare stories to make the goverment look bad (this is irrespective of which party tried to do it)
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Government may back down on legal aid reforms
hifidelity2 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
I thought that was to be included in the universal credit.

There are additions in the ESA. There are two additional bands in the ESA. Though how that will transition to the Universal Credit I have no idea.

The problem is that the whole benifits / tax credit system is so complex that its almost impossible to reform as there are a million and one pressure groups who will jump up and down prtiesting about every change. Also the opposition will naturally spread scare stories to make the government look bad (this is irrespective of which party tried to do it)

You do not need the opposition to spread scare stories. The press and charities will also show victims of the changes. It could be simplified but the real issue is to do it thoughtfully with all party support.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Government may back down on legal aid reforms
Amnesia10 wrote:
hifidelity2 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
[quote="l3v1ck"]I thought that was to be included in the universal credit.

There are additions in the ESA. There are two additional bands in the ESA. Though how that will transition to the Universal Credit I have no idea.

The problem is that the whole benifits / tax credit system is so complex that its almost impossible to reform as there are a million and one pressure groups who will jump up and down prtiesting about every change. Also the opposition will naturally spread scare stories to make the government look bad (this is irrespective of which party tried to do it)

You do not need the opposition to spread scare stories. The press and charities will also show victims of the changes. It could be simplified but the real issue is to do it thoughtfully with all party support.[/quote] which you will never get, as one party will sucumb to lobbying by a pressure group/special interest group

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Author:  Amnesia10 [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:19 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
which you will never get, as one party will sucumb to lobbying by a pressure group/special interest group

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But they will all be affected by differing lobbying groups. It should not be impossible to achieve even if it takes some time.
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