Wearing veil should be the woman's choice, says Theresa May
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... heresa-may
It's not often me and her agree
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| Author: | pcernie [ Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 'Veils not appropriate in classrooms or airport security' |
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... nick-clegg http://news.sky.com/story/1142383/musli ... l-in-court It should come down to individual cases, a blanket ban isn't right IMO. |
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| Author: | pcernie [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 'Veils not appropriate in classrooms or airport security' |
Wearing veil should be the woman's choice, says Theresa May http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/s ... heresa-may It's not often me and her agree
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| Author: | JohnSheridan [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 'Veils not appropriate in classrooms or airport security' |
If we ban the veil in public then what next? Ban people wearing hoodies or balaclavas? The start of a slippery slope although I do think they should be made to remove it if needed re. identification. |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:00 pm ] | |||||||||
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We should be hugging a hoodie! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:20 am ] | |||||||||
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Err... that's all we're talking about. And we already do that in certain circumstances - there's a bank in my town that won't let you in if your head is covered e.g. with a hood or bike helmet. |
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| Author: | hifidelity2 [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:17 am ] | |||||||||
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The problem is when its not her choice but her husbands / fathers choice |
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| Author: | big_D [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:02 am ] | |||||||||
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Surely the whole point of the veil is that they MUST wear it in public? 
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| Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 'Veils not appropriate in classrooms or airport security' |
There's no MUST about it. It's a choice, not a requirement of Islam. |
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| Author: | paulzolo [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:47 am ] | |||||||||
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Some people seem to think that it is a requirement, and get all steamed up if people point out contrary views. We live in a society where we prefer to see people’s faces when dealing with them, and I’d be a bit concerned if my GP was a veil wearing type. I don’t think I’d be very happy if bad news was being imparted from behind some kind of mask. We also have to bear in mind that if you are wearing a full face covering veil, then you could be anyone, and if you are giving evidence in court, or otherwise undertaking some kind of a civic activity where you identity should be in no doubt, then it should come off. |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:39 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Shouting and getting angry shouldn't get you what you want. We don't allow that with children, we certainly shouldn't with adults.
My GP is muslim. I don't know if she's 'practicing' or not. She doesn't wear a veil in surgery but she does wear a scarf. I don't have an issue with it.
On the other hand, we are all used to medical professionals wearing masks to prevent infection. My dentist wears safety glasses and a medical mask so his face is effectively entirely covered while he's about his job and I don't have any problem chatting to him. Well, I do, but it's nothing to do with him wearing a mask.
This is my argument, that being 'in court' is an important part here. If you are in court giving evidence or facing a charge, it is entirely necessary for you to be identifiable, not just that you have been identified. Court is a public process. Does that woman's right to privacy trump the accused's right to a fair and open trial? And if so, why? |
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| Author: | paulzolo [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:34 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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But you know that’s work wear, and there are high chances that you’ll have seen your doctor, surgeon, dentist etc. in situations where they are not wearing those - so you know the face behind the mask. I believe that in health care, you need the facial contact. |
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| Author: | pcernie [ Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 'Veils not appropriate in classrooms or airport security' |
Here we go... Face veils in hospital under review http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24158041 |
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| Author: | paulzolo [ Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:27 pm ] | |||||||||
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Good. Also one of the rare time when I agree with our Health Secretary. |
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| Author: | ShockWaffle [ Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:53 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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The requirement is for modesty. Modesty is a culturally elastic term and as such it is quite plausible that from your external cultural perspective you will view their internal interpretation as excessive. Modesty will therefore mean different things to different people within Islam let alone beyond that boundary. There is no possibility of an authoritative answer to the question unless God himself joins in the debate (at which point I would of course argue with the fat old bastard anyway). But your hope of foisting your external perspective is an act of paternalistic intrusion, and they don't welcome that any more than you do. Modesty will remain within the eye of the beholder, and if the believer believes that it requires a full face veil, then it does. |
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