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Author:  pcernie [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/o ... ince-cable

If only you could have faith in Clegg not to be used as a human shield, never mind faith in general.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
Clegg was wrong to accuse them of aiding the terrorists. What he should be concerned about is the wrath of the public for violating their civil rights.
Author:  JJW009 [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
Amnesia10 wrote:
Clegg was wrong to accuse them of aiding the terrorists. What he should be concerned about is the wrath of the public for violating their civil rights.

The public are largely apathetic.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Clegg was wrong to accuse them of aiding the terrorists. What he should be concerned about is the wrath of the public for violating their civil rights.

The public are largely apathetic.

Yes but most are ignorant of the impact of what has been done in their name.
Author:  ShockWaffle [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
Amnesia10 wrote:
JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
Clegg was wrong to accuse them of aiding the terrorists. What he should be concerned about is the wrath of the public for violating their civil rights.

The public are largely apathetic.

Yes but most are ignorant of the impact of what has been done in their name.

Explain the impact on me.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
"We want to guarantee that between sender and receiver in Germany, not a single byte leaves the country, or even crosses the border temporarily,"
Author:  pcernie [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
Amnesia10 wrote:
"We want to guarantee that between sender and receiver in Germany, not a single byte leaves the country, or even crosses the border temporarily,"


That's gonna be pretty much unenforceable without legislation, and even then...
Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
Indeed. They may be able to get data not leaving the EU, but they've got little chance on the one country limite purely due to EU competition/free trade/movement laws
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Guardian 'entirely correct' to publish NSA stories - Cable
l3v1ck wrote:
Indeed. They may be able to get data not leaving the EU, but they've got little chance on the one country limite purely due to EU competition/free trade/movement laws

They could still apply domestic laws on international carriers. If say BT want to join they would have to comply with the German laws of have their local licence revoked. BT and others could supply equipment so that would not be a restriction. The fact that the network would have to be domestic then it might not even be an international problem. The problem is that US equipment suppliers will be locked out of any such upgrade because of backdoors for the NSA. The Chinese government has ordered a replacement of all US telecoms and switching equipment with Chinese equipment or if nothing can be sourced domestically then EU equipment.
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