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Author: | ProfessorF [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:31 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Species Diversity Not Caused By Environment | |||||||||
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Author: | ethelredalready [ Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Species Diversity Not Caused By Environment |
Very interesting article. I'm not altogether sure that its quite as "radical" as the headline might have us believe. Although "natural selection" focuses on the idea of adaptation to the environment as a driver for species change, I don't think it excludes general genetic "drift". Background radiation, for example, seems to be sufficient to shuffle a species's genes in an arbitrary way, environmental chemicals etc etc probably do too. Most people (loonies aside) now accept that evolution ocurrs, and degrees of genetic diversity within a species are an inherent component of how evolution works. Some minor trait that appears insignificant in a steady-state context might mean that a particular genetic variant becomes much more sucessful than its fellows should things change. Similarly should migration or geographic movement take place then particular sub-species will become more sucessful. So it is a pre-requisite of evolution of "natural selection" too that some degree of genetic diversity pre-dates significant speciation or other changes. |
Author: | F_A_F [ Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Species Diversity Not Caused By Environment |
Interesting as it is, it's pretty obvious that not all evolution is in direct response to an emerging environment change, especially in something as relatively innocuous as colouration. By sopme random mutation, I grow taller and pass this gene onto my offspring. Because we're taller, we can no longer live in caves like my stunted relatives and have to live on the plains. Both groups continue and thrive; my decscendants live off grasses and root crops, the cave dwellers live off bat guano and moss ![]() After many generations of co-existance, a flood wipes out the tall people, leaving those in caves to carry on producing offspring. But for the chance event of a huge flood, mankind could have evolved taller. Showing how evolution is not initially driven by circumstance, but will be affected by it in the long run. Both ways work, it doesn't have to be one or the other. |
Author: | JJW009 [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:04 pm ] | |||||||||
Post subject: | Re: Species Diversity Not Caused By Environment | |||||||||
Err, I thought that was already the established thought ![]() Obviously, selection is influenced by factors such as the environment. However, if the environment is highly fertile then many distinct species evolve. All those pretty birds you get in tropical paradises evolved purely because the pretty ones are more likely get a shag, and having a stupid flashy tail isn't much of a disadvantage when there are no predators. Introduce a predator, and suddenly the boring brown birds get a huge advantage over the flash idiots who can barely fly. When times are hard, species die. When times are good, they diversify. You even see it in humans over relatively short time scales. |
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