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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:03 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban | |||||||||
London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban
They should ban HGV's between 7am to 8pm. |
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| Author: | finlay666 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban |
64% of deaths involve HGVs 100% involve people Banning large vehicles in peak times would be a killer for business |
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| Author: | Spreadie [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban |
How about a peak time ban on cyclists? |
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| Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:44 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban | |||||||||
Sounds just as fair to me 
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:54 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban | |||||||||
Not necessarily. Who would need HGV deliveries? Supermarkets are open late and could easily coordinate deliveries for late night. It is simple enough to get deliveries outside these hours. This would not apply to smaller deliver vehicles. Services like Royal Mail probably do quite a lot already outside these hours, and supermarkets could also benefit from clearer roads at night, which would reduce fuel use. |
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| Author: | Spreadie [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:00 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban | ||||||||||||||||||
Who pays the extra wage cost, for nights? My mate loves working nights, purely because he gets paid more for the same work. What about the fact that supermarkets already run vehicles through the night to keep up with demand. Such a policy would cripple the express couriers, unless you're including them under the royal mail HGV amnesty. Royal mail trucks kill people too. Try selling that to the haulage industry. |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:11 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Many companies already have staff onsite at night. So it could be minimal.
Yes but this would only end day time deliveries. Also with just in time deliveries they might not
Why should couriers be impacted? Many of their vehicles would be below the size limit. Cars Vans and motorbikes would not be effected and would benefit from clearer roads. Many Why should the Royal Mail have an amnesty? Only their HGV's would be banned. |
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| Author: | finlay666 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:26 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban | |||||||||
Laboratories, Car dealerships Merchant Suppliers Food production Anywhere that works traditional working hours Where are most HGVs? On the motorway? Never see any cyclists there! |
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| Author: | paulzolo [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban |
I don't think banning HGVs is the right solution here. Getting cyclists to use common sense when on the road is one step. Is it a corner, then why not hang back while that lorry goes round it? It's not hard, really. Segregating traffic with physical road structures is another option I think is necessary, especially in busy places where traffic is mixed. What doesn't help here are cyclists who trundle around with no regard for their own safety, or those who have some kind of militant death wish, where being in a dangerous situation is more important than being safe. Bow roundabout? I'd get off and walk there. I'm a shameless coward on my bike, and I'd get off my bike myself rather than being helped off it by a few tonnes of metal. |
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| Author: | Spreadie [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:16 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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You're talking about effectively ceasing daytime driving, and you think the current night time skeleton staff is somehow going to make up the difference?
No, you're missing my point - supermarkets already run a fleet during the day AND at night just to keep up with current demand. Ending daytime deliveries doubles the expected load placed on night deliveries. BTW, those night deliveries and usually on the same truck but with a different driver. That's how haulage companies make it pay - the truck is earning pretty much 20+ hours a day (depending on duty time). Who is going to pay to double the size of the fleet to meet the volume demand in only half the available time?
How do you think the parcels from Birmingham and Manchester get to the bike couriers in London?
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| Author: | big_D [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban |
A lot of town and city centres have HGV, if not complete delivery vehicle bans between 08:00 and 17:00 over here. They can still drive around the town on the ring roads, but they aren't allowed to drive into the centre itself. |
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| Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban |
I doubt that would work with London. Most towns CBD's are quite small. London is massive and merges with town centre after town centre. |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:23 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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I would only envisage such a ban within the London city congestion zone boundaries, certainly not elsewhere. Also Car dealers could take their deliveries at night or early in the morning. Also are there many car dealers with the city? Do they take deliveries every day? It might not be as bad as you think. |
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| Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban |
But even the congestion zone is huge. |
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| Author: | finlay666 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:47 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: London cycle deaths: Chris Boardman wants peak-time HGV ban | |||||||||
1 street leading into the centre of Newcastle (less than a 10 minute walk from the train station) on a cycle route (and near the main College campus) has around 10 main dealerships with a couple more just off that road. It's a major commuter route |
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