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Author: | pcernie [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | George Osborne says austerity plan is working |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25225532 Haven't read that myself yet. |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: George Osborne says austerity plan is working |
Well he would say that wouldn't he? |
Author: | ShockWaffle [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:20 am ] | |||||||||
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You have to admit that there has been some chronic BS written in these parts about the grim austerity that will maim and kill us. Here's a favourite of mine from 2010, courtesy of our in house prophet of mega-insane-ultra-doom... but the rest of you disaster queens haven't been much less ridiculous.
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=10774 At some point, it will be time for you to swallow a little of that pride and accept that the man hasn't done as bad a job as you predicted. It's not hard, he doesn't deserve a great deal of credit; the UK economy is not that bad a thing, it will right itself as long as reactionary idiots don't attempt Procrustean fixes. Thus far Osborne has been slightly to the right of the most obvious pragmatic approach, it would have been smarter to push more of the cost cutting into the medium term through faster pension changes, but he hasn't gone far wrong so long as he doesn't use all this as an excuse to double down. |
Author: | koli [ Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:25 pm ] | |||||||||
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Mind blowing stuff! And to think everyone's vote carries the same weight... |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:18 pm ] | |||||||||
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Some people don't agree, surprisingly.
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Author: | ShockWaffle [ Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:04 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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That article's just a matter of interpretation. It effectively agrees with my point about pushing cost cutting into the medium term, and the pointlessness of politicians claiming credit for the movement of an entire economy. The numbers supplied are of course endlessly contestable. Hanging the the chancellor on the basis of OBR predictions that are little better than haruspicy is a bit pointless. On thing they did say of note though was:
So perhaps what we should look for in a good chancellor isn't immediate fiscal results (which are largely the result of investment decisions taken years beforehand) but improvements in long run policy. Like this
http://www.economist.com/blogs/blighty/ ... tatement-2 In either case, no matter what pointless window dressing one does for the matter. Osborne hasn't been the disaster that his haters (perversely) wished for. And he hasn't been the glorious saviour that some idiots believe in. He disapoints extremists of every hue, which is not a bad thing. |
Author: | jonbwfc [ Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: George Osborne says austerity plan is working |
On Capitalism and the Social Compact |
Author: | ShockWaffle [ Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: George Osborne says austerity plan is working |
That piece is interesting, but confused and bad. He rejects Marxism on purely empirical terms - Marx's predictions failed. But he does not attempt to understand Marx's methodological failings - the causes of the faulty predictions. Marx's analytical categories were far too rigid, his teleological historiography was of its time (being in large part a response to Hegel), but directional histories that runs on rails are a Victorian antique that needs no resurrection. Marx was also too smitten by neat turning points, where that forced directional history becomes apparent. And his analysis of capitalism's failings presupposed (as a result of his teleological leanings) that capitalism would have no mechanism for self correction, which turned out to be a Malthusian fallacy. In that linked article, David Simon has repeated every one of those procedural failings. Sadly, he's added some additional mistakes, such as attributing articles of America's culture wars to constructs that cannot actually contain them on the flimsy basis that some people who say they are capitalists also say these things. This is the kind of error that Marx would certainly not have made. |
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