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Author:  pcernie [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:22 am ]
Post subject:  Exploding iPod owner hit with Apple gagging order

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/264721/expl ... order.html

I'll have to read that fully later, but throwing like a grenade was a nice touch :lol:

Author:  gavomatic57 [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:02 pm ]
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I'm having visions of that scene in Terminator 3 where Arnie thows his fuel cell out of the window and it causes a huge explosion...
Maybe the Terminator was powered by an ipod!?

Still, will be interesting to see whether the exploding ipod or the gag order will do more damage to public opinion of apple. Personally I could put up with an exploding ipod if they took it on the chin and owned up, without getting their Orwell on.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:09 pm ]
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They gave compensation, not a refund. As a part of that compensation, they requested the family didn't talk to the papers.
A 'gagging order', it's not. You need court orders for that, which is why I guess the family went to the press.
To my mind, compensation>refund.

Author:  pcernie [ Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:17 pm ]
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gavomatic57 wrote:
I'm having visions of that scene in Terminator 3 where Arnie thows his fuel cell out of the window and it causes a huge explosion...
Maybe the Terminator was powered by an ipod!?


Removable battery? Nah ;)

Author:  eddie543 [ Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:00 am ]
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The fact that everyone is talking about it shows it hasn't worked.

This is why apple is evil.

Author:  Linux_User [ Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:30 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
They gave compensation, not a refund. As a part of that compensation, they requested the family didn't talk to the papers.
A 'gagging order', it's not. You need court orders for that, which is why I guess the family went to the press.
To my mind, compensation>refund.


That's not what I read. What I read stated that Apple denied liability, and would only refund the cost of the iPod on the condition that the family never disclose the terms of the agreement.

Personally I'd take it to Trading Standards for product safety testing. Apple could have found themselves in hot water if the product was indeed deemed to be unsafe, and most certainly would have been liable for any damage caused.

Author:  ProfessorF [ Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:17 pm ]
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Have a look at http://www.tuaw.com/2009/08/03/apple-mo ... -order-ov/

The points he makes are:

Quote:
1) This is no gagging order. As nice and evil and meaty as such an accusation sounds, a gagging order comes from a court and no court is involved here. It implies that Apple has gone after this family legally, and that there's been a hearing and a decision and a court order. Quite the opposite. This is just a regular, ho-hum contract between two parties, describing the things they want out of each other.

While the family may be shocked they got a letter, from a legal perspective they should be shocked if they didn't get one. Apple doesn't feel like they've done anything wrong and isn't going to start admitting its products are combustion risks by returning money out of warranty, which is exactly what it would do it if gave money to these people without some sort of settlement agreement.

2) A confidentiality agreement is standard operating procedure. Sure, a letter filled with legalese is a little heavy-handed, but hey, the iPod was out of warranty and when a company agrees to give you money it doesn't feel it owes you, especially in a situation such as this one, it can very well request confidentiality you keep your trap shut about it going forward. It's standard practice even when the company thinks it probably does owe you money. No courts are involved, and litigation is spared where the parties would fight over whether or not the money is owed. And when a confidentiality agreement is sought, it's also pretty standard to remind the parties the possible consequences of breaching the agreement.

Remember: no court is involved here and Apple and this family can reach whatever agreement they want. If the family wants an admission of liability from Apple, they remain absolutely free to pursue a lawsuit in which it will be determined whether or not Apple is at fault. And now, of course, having disclosed all the contents of the letter, Apple I'm sure has rescinded whatever refund it offered.

The UK Times has vastly overstated the standard form letter that Apple sent to them when they sought an out-of-warranty refund. I suspect, however, that Apple could have averted this public relations issue had it said, "look, we're happy to give you your money back. We have no idea why that iPod went kablooey. It could be any number of reasons, including many that don't involve us at all. So if you want us to give your money back, we will, but you have to agree not to discuss it. Why? Because that way people won't think we make defective and dangerous products when it's not at all clear that we do, and giving you your money back is good business, not an admission of liability." And then, when a legal-sounding letter shows up in the mail, nobody is shocked.


eddie543 wrote:
The fact that everyone is talking about it shows it hasn't worked.

This is why apple is evil.


Care to guide me along the clear and apparent path to that conclusion that I'm obviously missing? :?

Author:  eddie543 [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:20 am ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
eddie543 wrote:
This is why apple is evil.

Care to guide me along the clear and apparent path to that conclusion that I'm obviously missing? :?


Well they are always claiming underdog status in the OS market whereas when they become top dog in a market such as the MP3 market they throw thier weight about as much as possible.

Author:  tombolt [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:28 am ]
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Don't know how old it is, but he could probably have got a new one under the sale of goods act.

Author:  big_D [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:05 am ]
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It sounds like, when he dropped it, possibly the battery split or something similar. Not really Apple's fault.

I think they should have handled it better - like talking to him in person, but he should have clarified the situation, before running to the press... :?

Author:  Linux_User [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:56 pm ]
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Prof, I can only assume that stuff was written by an American. Apple would most certainly be liable, even out of warranty, by virtue of the Consumer Protection Act 1987 - they would not only be liable for the iPod, but any further damage to other property too.

Also as has been stated they could seek redress through the retailer through their contractual rights under the Sale of Goods Act 1979.

Author:  big_D [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:41 pm ]
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Linux_User wrote:
Prof, I can only assume that stuff was written by an American. Apple would most certainly be liable, even out of warranty, by virtue of the Consumer Protection Act 1987 - they would not only be liable for the iPod, but any further damage to other property too.

Also as has been stated they could seek redress through the retailer through their contractual rights under the Sale of Goods Act 1979.

Even if the user had damaged it enough to make it dangerous? If I break a brake line on my car, the manufacturer isn't responsible if I cause an accident - if the brake line is faulty in factory condition, yes. Likewise, if the battery exploded alone, then Apple would be liable, but the guy admitted that he dropped the iPod before it started to overheat, therefore, I would assume that statement absolves Apple of liability... :?

Author:  tombolt [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:55 pm ]
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Hadn't realised he dropped it, if that's the case, I don't really see why they're giving him any money at all. They should have said, "tough titties, try your house insurance".

Author:  Linux_User [ Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:35 pm ]
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big_D wrote:
Linux_User wrote:
Prof, I can only assume that stuff was written by an American. Apple would most certainly be liable, even out of warranty, by virtue of the Consumer Protection Act 1987 - they would not only be liable for the iPod, but any further damage to other property too.

Also as has been stated they could seek redress through the retailer through their contractual rights under the Sale of Goods Act 1979.

Even if the user had damaged it enough to make it dangerous? If I break a brake line on my car, the manufacturer isn't responsible if I cause an accident - if the brake line is faulty in factory condition, yes. Likewise, if the battery exploded alone, then Apple would be liable, but the guy admitted that he dropped the iPod before it started to overheat, therefore, I would assume that statement absolves Apple of liability... :?


In that case I retract my statement - didn't realise that the guy had damaged it beforehand. :|

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