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pcernie
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:51 am |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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It looks like the mistakes of the 30's are being repeated. It starts with scapegoating.
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:52 pm |
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TheFrenchun
Officially Mrs saspro
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:55 pm Posts: 4955 Location: on the naughty step
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I don't quite get the argument: "oh, a legal immigrant may not have a passport to prove that they have leave to remain in the UK so the law is unfair" I mean, I was made to prove that I can legally live and work in the UK many times since I moved here 8 years ago, I don't find that xenophobic. Surely everyone should have ID to prove who they are?
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:07 am |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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The same here in Germany, I need my passport and my German social security number (NI number) to get a job and I have to carry my passport with me - German citizens only need to carry their ID card.
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:06 pm |
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Amnesia10
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That was probably because you are not British, I had never been asked for any ID. I would have to provide NI details on starting. Though I know employers who would only recruit foreigners because of the anti social hours the locals would not want to do the job.
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:42 pm |
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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Its every employer responsibility to ensure they can proved every employee is legally allowed to work in the UK. Every couple of years we have solicitors in to take photocopies of our passports, so if immigration officials came in the company can prove the employees are allowed. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:52 pm |
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Amnesia10
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What if you do not have a passport?
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:21 pm |
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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Then you have to show a lot more paperwork and is a pain in the backside for those that don't. As we have a lot of non UK nationals working for us, HR tend to be on the ball making sure they have the right visas etc. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:05 pm |
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Amnesia10
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I think that it does impact some businesses a lot more than others. The problem is that some of these laws are purely xenophobic.
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:12 pm |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Over here it is a big problem, especially on building sites. The Zola (Customs) are always raiding them, looking for 'black' workers (those working cash in hand) and illegal, who don't have a work permit to work in Germany. Restaurants are also often raided.
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Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:00 am |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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The fairest solution would be a general id card scheme for all UK residents.
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Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:35 am |
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bobbdobbs
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:10 pm Posts: 5490 Location: just behind you!
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That would go down as well as a bacon butty store at Mecca. They've tried it once and it failed with a big fat F. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
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Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:28 am |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:36 am |
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Amnesia10
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:02 am Posts: 29240 Location: Guantanamo Bay (thanks bobbdobbs)
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But does Spartacus have a work permit? 
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Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:43 pm |
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TheFrenchun
Officially Mrs saspro
Joined: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:55 pm Posts: 4955 Location: on the naughty step
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But why is it xenophobic? As a foreigner living abroad, I have to have a passport with me if I want to go back home. Anyone living abroad should have ID to show who they are surely. I am lucky that I also own a ID card as in France it is compulsory (though not necessarily enforced) to carry ID with you at all time. It is not a right to settle in a foreign country, all immigrants are aware of that.
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