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Author:  pcernie [ Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Murderers may face 100 years in jail under Tory plans
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jan ... -goverment

I'm not convinced that's anything more than a bit of PR for the Tories (that could backfire if the ECHR calls their bluff longterm) and the Guardian doing a bit of handwringing.

I've no problem with life meaning life since we can't rely on the corrupt justice system if it ever came to executing scumbags, but for somewhat similar reasons you need an ongoing review process. The Met. amongst others are still fitting people up today, and who wouldn't go mental when wrongly thrown into a cell for 'life'?
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Murderers may face 100 years in jail under Tory plans
pcernie wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jan/02/murderers-jail-sentences-100-years-considered-goverment

I'm not convinced that's anything more than a bit of PR for the Tories (that could backfire if the ECHR calls their bluff longterm) and the Guardian doing a bit of handwringing.

I've no problem with life meaning life since we can't rely on the corrupt justice system if it ever came to executing scumbags, but for somewhat similar reasons you need an ongoing review process. The Met. amongst others are still fitting people up today, and who wouldn't go mental when wrongly thrown into a cell for 'life'?

I have no problems with life tariffs but if they bring back the death penalty it will mean loads of innocent people being executed, especially after being fitted up by the police, and media. Also most murderers could be released tomorrow without any real risk to public safety. So locking people who are no real risk is simply a waste of money. Very long tariffs also create incentives to fit up people especially if there is an element of malice. Look at Norway, maximum tariff of 10 years and they have a lower crime rate than here.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Murderers may face 100 years in jail under Tory plans
Amnesia10 wrote:
[I have no problems with life tariffs but if they bring back the death penalty it will mean loads of innocent people being executed, especially after being fitted up by the police, and media.

It also means vast amounts of tax payers money being spent on legal aid for the plethora of appeals. I read somewhere that due to appeal costs in the USA, it's cheaper to bang someone up for life than it is to execute them.
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Murderers may face 100 years in jail under Tory plans
l3v1ck wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
[I have no problems with life tariffs but if they bring back the death penalty it will mean loads of innocent people being executed, especially after being fitted up by the police, and media.

It also means vast amounts of tax payers money being spent on legal aid for the plethora of appeals. I read somewhere that due to appeal costs in the USA, it's cheaper to bang someone up for life than it is to execute them.

Yes by a margin of 4 to 1. Last time I heard the figures it cost $400 000 to imprison for life and more then $1.6 million to get through all the appeals.
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