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From people who take a pack of out of date tomatoes from the bins round the back of Iceland.

The fact our money is being used to prosecute these people while the people who fixed LIBOR aren't in gaol yet is something I find quite sickening.


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While technically it is theft the fact that it is in the rubbish bins should really make it the property of the local authority. The problem with going after bankers is that they are protected by political parties who need financial support.

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While technically it is theft the fact that it is in the rubbish bins should really make it the property of the local authority.


Companies pay private refuse collectors so it's their property until collected

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The fact our money is being used to prosecute these people while the people who fixed LIBOR aren't in gaol yet is something I find quite sickening.


The fact that we now live in a country where people have to steal from supermarket bins is enough.

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The fact that we now live in a country where people have to steal from supermarket bins is enough.

Quite so. I just saw a very recent quotation from a presentation by Warren Buffett, arguably the world's richest man and anything but a socialist, who said

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We have learned to turn out lots of goods and services, but we haven’t learned as well how to have everybody share in the bounty. The obligation of a society as prosperous as ours is to figure out how nobody gets left too far behind.


If he can see this, it reflects poorly on those who can't.


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It is expected Paul May, a freelance web designer, will argue that he was taking the food because he needed it to eat and does not consider he has done anything illegal or dishonest in removing food destined for landfill from a skip.


freelance web designer - common slang for unemployed and spends time in front of a pc

Either that or he should get a proper job, it's not like he stole a small number of cheap items, £33 of small value items like fruit/veg and baked goods is a lot. Easily multiple carrier bags each worth

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£33 of small value items like fruit/veg and baked goods is a lot.

Given it was in the bin, it wasn't worth anywhere near that. It was in the bin presumably because it was past it's 'sell by' date, so they couldn't legally sell it. So it's value was effectively zero.


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£33 of small value items like fruit/veg and baked goods is a lot.

Given it was in the bin, it wasn't worth anywhere near that. It was in the bin presumably because it was past it's 'sell by' date, so they couldn't legally sell it. So it's value was effectively zero.


very true.
Would it be crazy to charge company for the food they send to landfill?


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Given it was in the bin, it wasn't worth anywhere near that.

My point wasn't the current value, but that they were taking a lot, not a few small bits of veg and some cheese for a meal, that's the equivalent of a fairly decent weekly shop for 1 person.

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It was in the bin presumably because it was past it's 'sell by' date, so they couldn't legally sell it. So it's value was effectively zero.

Do shops still use 'sell by' any more? I thought best before was commonly used now as you can sell it after still/give it to food donation schemes. That said fruit/veg rarely has sell by on now when I've bought it unless it's prepackaged, even then they don't always have it

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It was in the bin presumably because it was past it's 'sell by' date, so they couldn't legally sell it. So it's value was effectively zero.

Do shops still use 'sell by' any more? I thought best before was commonly used now as you can sell it after still/give it to food donation schemes. That said fruit/veg rarely has sell by on now when I've bought it unless it's prepackaged, even then they don't always have it

Yes sell by dates are still everywhere. It might not be on the fruit and veg itself but on the crates instead. Without the sell by dates there would be no need for the yellow stickers for final clearance pricing.

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Aside from the formality of a sell by date, they threw the stuff out because they decided they couldn't sell it. Something which you can't sell has a value of zero.


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Noting here that Pret gives away its end of day foods to homeless charities.
http://www.pret.com/waste_not.htm

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The chief executive of Iceland had contacted the CPS earlier on Wednesday to request that the case be dropped, stating that the company did not seek their prosecution.

Malcolm Walker said his initial reaction to news of the prosecution in the Guardian had been "one of total bemusement". "Our store had not called the police, let alone asked for those concerned to be prosecuted. Waste food in our bins that cannot be sold is clearly of minimal value to us," he writes, in a piece for the Guardian. "We acted as soon as we could to ask the police and CPS to drop the case."


One would assume at this point some slightly over-zealous person in the CPS is being asked some pointed questions because they seem to be the only people who thought this case was worth bothering with. As one of the commenters puts it

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There should be an investigation into why they believed that a prosecution under an 190 year old law, with no complaint from the alleged 'victim', was in the public interest. They need to publish the initial rationale for the prosecution.


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I also think Iceland did not want the adverse publicity especially over something that they had thrown away. Good for them to intervene, otherwise the defendants would have probably ended up in court.

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