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Author:  jonbwfc [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:49 pm ]
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Power Engineers diverted from repairing major blackout to flip Cameron's fusebox switch.

Author:  koli [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:07 pm ]
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Posting an article from The Mirrow eh? Good choice of reading sir, it explains a lot :lol:

Author:  jonbwfc [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:27 pm ]
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No, I think newspapers are a horrible anachronism, I don't generally read any of them. Someone I'm Facebook friends with posted the link on their Facebook wall. The source is kind of irrelevant though, assuming the basic facts as presented are true.

Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:37 pm ]
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Quote:
But now the two Scottish and Southern Energy Power Distribution engineers have disclosed they were carrying out emergency repairs in the Oxfordshire village of Kirtlington when they diverted to Chipping Norton where Mr Cameron lives.

Mr Paton said: “We could have been employed on better things but we got called out to a ­property where the trip had gone that they obviously hadn’t checked properly.

“They thought it was the storms and they phoned in and said they were off supply. So we went there for nothing really.” He said: “There were people out for days. Lots of people missed their turkeys.”

Mr Faulkner added: “It didn’t need much sorting out. If he had got his minders to check the trip switch it would have saved us the journey. There was nothing wrong with their mains.”

Is the ability to fix a trip switch beyond him or his minders pay grade or was there a health and safety issue for the protection unit? :roll:

Author:  RichardLucas [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:38 pm ]
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The Mirror wrote:
A No10 spokesman defended the decision to call out workers to Mr Cameron’s home. He said: “The power went down because there was a leaky roof. There was water around the fusebox. The engineers came to fix it, which they did.”


If that bit is true, then calling the engineers out is the right thing to do

Author:  rustybucket [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:42 pm ]
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I don't see what the issue is. :?

Author:  jonbwfc [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:36 pm ]
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RichardLucas wrote:
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If that bit is true, then calling the engineers out is the right thing to do

No, it really isn't.

First of all, what they should have done is call their provider's help line and wait their turn like everyone else. They didn't do this.

Secondly, the guys diverted weren't retail service engineers, they were emergency response main grid maintenance staff whose job was to work to restore power to hundreds of people, not to go and see what the issue was with one particular house. They didn't call the engineers out to fix his power, they diverted engineers who already had a vital job to do.

At best, they used his job to jump a very long queue he had no right to jump, indeed he should have been looking after his constituent's interests before his own.

At worst, he diverted two highly qualified engineers away from a task they were assigned to and as a result cost his constituents grief, money (ruined contents of freezers etc) and possibly even property and (at the worst extreme, although this hasn't been reported) lives.

There is nothing about this which is ok. The ok thing to do would have been wait his turn. This is patently what he did not do.

Author:  koli [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:03 pm ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
The source is kind of irrelevant though, assuming the basic facts as presented are true.

You assume that a tabloid like Mirror would get the basic facts right? Really? Oh dear, this is getting worse and worse...

Author:  Spreadie [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:09 pm ]
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koli wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
The source is kind of irrelevant though, assuming the basic facts as presented are true.

You assume that a tabloid like Mirror would get the basic facts right? Really? Oh dear, this is getting worse and worse...

Wow, attacking someone straight off the bat, for posting a news story.

Does being a total arse come naturally to you, or do you get up early and practice?

Author:  koli [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:26 pm ]
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Spreadie wrote:
Wow, attacking someone straight off the bat, for posting a news story.

I am pretty sure I am not attacking anybody here. Maybe you are little bit too sensitive.

It is no secret that Jon is one of the two people here that have very low (in Jon's case) or no credibility in my eyes. The fact that somebody not only reads, but also believes what is presented in a tabloid like Mirror clearly justifies my position. But feel free to disagree and also you can also clarify where you stand when it comes to tabloids.

I know it sound supercilious but I not going sugarcoat things just not upset few sensitive people.

Author:  RichardLucas [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:38 pm ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
First of all, what they should have done is call their provider's help line and wait their turn like everyone else. They didn't do this.


Agreed, but the article doesn't say they didn't.

jonbwfc wrote:
Secondly, the guys diverted weren't retail service engineers, they were emergency response main grid maintenance staff whose job was to work to restore power to hundreds of people, not to go and see what the issue was with one particular house. They didn't call the engineers out to fix his power, they diverted engineers who already had a vital job to do.


The allocation of the job was down to the electricity company, not the PM

jonbwfc wrote:
At best, they used his job to jump a very long queue he had no right to jump, indeed he should have been looking after his constituent's interests before his own.


Agreed, but

The Mirror wrote:
SSE denied the PM’s status was responsible for the speed of its response.

not sure I believe that one.

jonbwfc wrote:
At worst, he diverted two highly qualified engineers away from a task they were assigned to and as a result cost his constituents grief, money (ruined contents of freezers etc) and possibly even property and (at the worst extreme, although this hasn't been reported) lives.


The allocation of the work is down to the electricity company and David Cameron didn't personally divert the engineers. There may well have been pressure (implied or otherwise) to attend quickly but there are nothing in the article to support this.

jonbwfc wrote:
There is nothing about this which is ok.

That is probably true but I'm not sure all the blame goes to David Cameron.

Author:  Spreadie [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:13 pm ]
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koli wrote:
Spreadie wrote:
Wow, attacking someone straight off the bat, for posting a news story.

I am pretty sure I am not attacking anybody here. Maybe you are little bit too sensitive.

It is no secret that Jon is one of the two people here that have very low (in Jon's case) or no credibility in my eyes. The fact that somebody not only reads, but also believes what is presented in a tabloid like Mirror clearly justifies my position. But feel free to disagree and also you can also clarify where you stand when it comes to tabloids.

I know it sound supercilious but I not going sugarcoat things just not upset few sensitive people.

Nah, I'm not particularly sensitive, despite your opinion. Maybe you're not an arrogant ill-mannered arse, but I doubt that.

Author:  John_Vella [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:20 pm ]
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I used to work for one of the tabloids, on the IT side, not journalism, and it was while I was working there that I stopped buying 'papers as I lost interest in reading somebody else's opinion of what happened yesterday.

By the way, koli... Which one of us had no credibility in your eyes? ;)

Is it me?! lol

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Author:  koli [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:31 pm ]
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John_Vella wrote:
By the way, koli... Which one of us had no credibility in your eyes? ;)

Is it me?! lol

No, not you. I don't remember having any explosive debates with you at all. As I said previously, I can't stand ignorance and even more so stupidity, and these two traits tend to be demonstrated mostly in the news section. Unfortunely regularly by the same people and they bring out the worst of me. But if you really want to know, have a look at my post history in the News forum, two most recent threads will sufice. No need to name names.

I don't suffer fools lightly but around intelligent people I am a really nice guy, well mannered too :)

Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:46 pm ]
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koli wrote:
I don't suffer fools lightly but around intelligent people I am a really nice guy, well mannered too :)

And modest.

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