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Author:  pcernie [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Ed Miliband: Young jobless must train or lose benefits
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27911518

There really isn't much difference between the two main parties, is there? Both trying to pretend to the hard-pressed average voter that those on welfare are somehow to blame. And neither have ever had any luck in implementing the systems that will supposedly pull us out of this 'mire', whether computer or literal process!
Author:  TheFrenchun [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband: Young jobless must train or lose benefits
pcernie wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27911518

There really isn't much difference between the two main parties, is there? Both trying to pretend to the hard-pressed average voter that those on welfare are somehow to blame. And neither have ever had any luck in implementing the systems that will supposedly pull us out of this 'mire', whether computer or literal process!

In France, kids that don't have professional/ vocational training and are not working get no benefit. If you're in education you get help with rent, council tax etc so it discourages people being idle with not useful skills.
Author:  pcernie [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband: Young jobless must train or lose benefits
TheFrenchun wrote:
pcernie wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27911518

There really isn't much difference between the two main parties, is there? Both trying to pretend to the hard-pressed average voter that those on welfare are somehow to blame. And neither have ever had any luck in implementing the systems that will supposedly pull us out of this 'mire', whether computer or literal process!

In France, kids that don't have professional/ vocational training and are not working get no benefit. If you're in education you get help with rent, council tax etc so it discourages people being idle with not useful skills.


I'm not saying it shouldn't be looked at, I just don't believe the sincerity or likely competence of it. It's not like the average young person on benefits is living it up - even the Mail might struggle to sell that one.
Author:  big_D [ Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband: Young jobless must train or lose benefits
Here you don't get benefits unless you have had a job, until that point you are the responsibility of your parents (orphans being an exception). It works the other way as well, kids have to subsidise nursing of their parents when they are old.

Re-training is offered for those that can't find work in their current trade. They also give compulsory workshops on applying for jobs and interview techniques.

I'm not sure exactly how it works, but they can also say that you have to move back in with your parents or the parents have to help subsidise your living costs if you become unemployed. I know that my other half faced the prospect of having to move back in with her mother, when she divorced her first husband. Her mother was a pensioner and couldn't have afforded to support her, so she found work very quickly in order not to be a burden to her family.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband: Young jobless must train or lose benefits
Labour need to get a policy
i left school at 14 years of age and have worked and trained for many things myself

i don't need a Govt. telling me how to train and find work
the requirement in my eyes for Govt. is to protect the/our people against big/huge/massive/monopoly companies

which they have ALL failed massively and miserably at ...
Author:  ProfessorF [ Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ed Miliband: Young jobless must train or lose benefits
MrStevenRogers wrote:
i don't need a Govt. telling me how to train and find work


Which is great, for you, but a lot of the teens I work with appear entirely unmotivated and have an air of entitlement and expectation about how their lives are going to progress.
Something we try and get them out of, some really go with it and others don't, for whatever reason.
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