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Author:  pcernie [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Scots to be offered radical new deal in bid to save union
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -the-union
Author:  davrosG5 [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Scots to be offered radical new deal in bid to save union
I suspect it's not just Scotland that would be in favour of a more federal organisation for the UK - the North East, North West, South West of England and Wales at the very least would all probably be delighted to have more control taken away from the inward looking Westminster village.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:19 am ]
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Just let em go if they want to. Just make sure they take their share of the debt with them.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:31 am ]
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Just give England a vote for independence and all problems about Scotland dissappear [WINKING FACE]
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:22 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Just let em go if they want to. Just make sure they take their share of the debt with them.


+1

i would call their bluff
no deals for remaining within the union, none whatsoever under any circumstances
nothing for leaving the union as Scotland is independent

Scotland is INDEPENDENT, Scotland learn to live with it ...
Author:  l3v1ck [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:25 pm ]
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They seem to forget that the union was formed in the first place as Scotland was pretty much bankrupt.
Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:04 pm ]
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I personally think we should let them go, then line up our armies and take it back. If only to teach the rest a lesson.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:54 pm ]
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Na. If they ever want back in, we should have a referendum with the question.... 'Should we tell the ungrateful Scots to [LIFTED] off?'

Joking by the way.
Author:  PaulKey [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:44 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
Na. If they ever want back in, we should have a referendum with the question.... 'Should we tell the ungrateful Scots to [LIFTED] off?'

Joking by the way.



I agree...... but I'm not joking.
Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:14 pm ]
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Don't worry - Gordon Brown's surfaced for the No campaign. So it's going to be a YES vote.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Scots to be offered radical new deal in bid to save union
Probably.
Author:  ShockWaffle [ Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:10 am ]
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davrosG5 wrote:
I suspect it's not just Scotland that would be in favour of a more federal organisation for the UK - the North East, North West, South West of England and Wales at the very least would all probably be delighted to have more control taken away from the inward looking Westminster village.

The last time that was floated (2004) the plan for devolved parliament in North East England was so overwhelmingly rejected (79% no vote) that two similar referendums were abandoned as pointless.

In 2012, 9 English cities were offered referendums on elected mayors with powers vaguely similar to Boris'. Only Bristol voted yes (the 10th, Doncaster, voted to keep their existing elected mayor).

The English it seems, CBA with decentralized powers.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:30 pm ]
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ShockWaffle wrote:
davrosG5 wrote:

The English it seems, CBA with decentralized powers.
why have another layer of politicians ignoring there electorate and sticking their noses in the trough.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:08 pm ]
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We don't need more layers of politicians and paperwork.
Stop the Scots MP's voting on English only issues. Problem solved
Author:  ShockWaffle [ Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:48 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
ShockWaffle wrote:

The English it seems, CBA with decentralized powers.
why have another layer of politicians ignoring there electorate and sticking their noses in the trough.

I guess that depends on how you think about layers.
If powers are genuinely devolved, no set of decisions is being made at two of those layers, so a devolved parliament is a relocation of a layer rather than its multiplication.

The cost of feeding the piggies from the public trough is negligible. The whole gravy train is a pittance hiding in the shadow of a rounding error, and we constantly harm our own democracy by focusing on that while ignoring important things.

The real costs of government are opportunity costs. The lost opportunities that come from spending money on fighter planes instead of universities; on expensive pointless trams instead of cheap effective buses, and so on. The theory is that devolved institutions are better able to integrate spending plans, so that monies allocated to housing and transport and education are all spent according to one authorities greater plan.

It's the one-throat-to-choke principle, with the idea being that this only works if the throat is within reach.
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