Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] 
NHS dementia plan to give GPs cash for diagnoses 
Author Message
Legend

Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm
Posts: 45931
Location: Belfast
Reply with quote
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... criticised

JHC, that presumably came from middle management or higher up. And then they signed off on it. Then enacted it. How did nobody say, 'WTF?!'

_________________
Plain English advice on everything money, purchase and service related:

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/


Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:21 pm
Profile
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 pm
Posts: 10022
Reply with quote
This is entirely politically driven. I remember a while back Mr Jeremy Hunt (we call him something else that rhymes with Hunt) saying we weren't diagnosing enough dementia. This is the result.

The problem with any screening programme is that it to meet a set of criteria (wilson's criteria)

1. the condition should be important
We know that dementia can be debilitating.

2. the progression of the condition should be understood
Well we don't really know enough about dementia for this to be true

3. there needs to be a stage where the disease is quiet or mild but is detectable
The disease can be mild but is usually undetectable in the early stages

4. should be able to easily test for it
Can't really do that with dementia. It's not like hypertension where if everyone had a blood pressure check, it would pick it up.

5. there should be a treatment for it

No effective treatment.

6. the treatment should be effective if started early
The problem is that the medication only really works in some people, some of the time

Thus screening for dementia is useless.

Paying a GP for diagnosis is wrong, both ethically and logically. The person who makes the diagnosis isn't the GP but the specialist. If I saw a patient with suspected dementia, I'd do bloods and a mental state exam. If I felt there was anything to warrant referral, they'd have an MRI whilst waiting to see the specialist. The specialist would then make the diagnosis. So why does the GP get paid?

_________________
Image
He fights for the users.


Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:08 am
Profile
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm
Posts: 17040
Reply with quote
I think there are a few cognitive function tests which are good indicators for likely onset of Dementia, but in general I agree. There seems little point to it...

"You're going to get dementia. We can't stop it, we probably can't treat it, it's going to get pretty bad. You'll probably not even be able to wipe your own arse before the end."
"Oh, wow, thanks."


Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:42 pm
Profile
What's a life?
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am
Posts: 12700
Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
Reply with quote
jonbwfc wrote:
I think there are a few cognitive function tests which are good indicators for likely onset of Dementia,

I'm pretty sure I'd fail all of them these days.

_________________
pcernie wrote:
'I'm going to snort this off your arse - for the benefit of government statistics, of course.'


Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:26 pm
Profile WWW
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 4 posts ] 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 19 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software.