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pcernie
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l3v1ck
What's a life?
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Fuel cells are the future. Battery cars are crap.
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Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:59 pm |
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big_D
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Haven't we tried packing vehicles full of hydrogen before and decided that it was a very bad idea?  Good on them, I hope that this spurs development.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:51 am |
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Spreadie
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:06 pm Posts: 6355 Location: IoW
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Oh, the humanity! Let's hope the technology has moved on from huge bags of gas, or else parking could soon be an issue. Indeed. They stand to make more money by removing the barriers preventing other people from entering the market.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:27 am |
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l3v1ck
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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The biggest barrier is getting H2 provided at petrol stations.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:26 am |
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davrosG5
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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Hydrogen is a terrible fuel from the point of view of transport and storage with the technology we have at the moment. One of the main issues is embrittlement (spelling?) - basically becuase hydrogen molecules are soooo small the can insinuate themselves through just about anything (including solid metal) and in doing so they tend to degrade the material in the process meaning that it becomes brittle in a relatively short space of time. You really don't want the structural integrity of your hydrogen storage tanks and/or pipework becoming a bit iffy.
But good on Toyota anyway.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:13 pm |
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l3v1ck
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am Posts: 12700 Location: The Right Side of the Pennines (metaphorically & geographically)
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Better to change out the H2 tank than the batteries in the current electric cars.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:05 pm |
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Fogmeister
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:35 pm Posts: 6580 Location: Getting there
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Can it not be stored in a compound that can then be broken down easily? I know that "easily" doesn't really go hand in hand with hydrogen but surely something could be synthesised?
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:19 pm |
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davrosG5
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Absolutely. Unfortunately the materials that are easy to handle and store are also hydrocarbon based (methanol for example) so they don't help with CO2 emissions. Not surprisingly there is a lot of research into other alternatives but I'm not aware of any that currently do better than hydrocarbons as hydrogen transport (I would be delighted to be wrong on that). Just after I left uni I did some work n hydrogen storage in metal hydride matrices - they do work but still aren't great compared to hydrocarbons and are also too fragile (at the time) to be used in vehicles.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:40 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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I'd imagine an awful lot of clever expel are trying to figure the various engineering problems out, because whoever figures those problems out first is going end up be absolutely swimming in money.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:15 pm |
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davrosG5
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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Very much so, yes. I suspect there will be something of a race between fuel cell technology and all electric. If we could crack electricity storage or wireless distribution (without cooking people in the process) the problems with using hydrogen could be kept at the power station end of the equation which would simplify things enourmously.
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Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:08 am |
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