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Author:  pcernie [ Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:  MPs back standardised cigarette packaging
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31839859
Author:  big_D [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:45 am ]
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It is coming here this year - also no logos, just the brand name.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:23 am ]
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I don't really see the point. It's not like there's exciting branding on them to attract people now.
Author:  paulzolo [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:24 am ]
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A wily cigarette company would start selling branded cases, and see these brandless packets as refills.
Author:  davrosG5 [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:48 am ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
I don't really see the point. It's not like there's exciting branding on them to attract people now.


It's not so much exciting as readily identifiable. I've never smoked but I suspect I could name a few of the brands just from the packaging colours.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:46 pm ]
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Counterfeiting groups eill be laughing all the way to the bank. Thousands will lose their jobs and it won't achieve the aim
Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:02 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
Thousands will lose their jobs and it won't achieve the aim

if it doesn't achieve it's aim, how will thousands lose their jobs?
Author:  l3v1ck [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:19 pm ]
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I think he means it will be harder to tell fakes from real cigs.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:30 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
I think he means it will be harder to tell fakes from real cigs.

Do smokers really care that much if they're smoking fake or real brands?
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:50 pm ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
Thousands will lose their jobs and it won't achieve the aim

if it doesn't achieve it's aim, how will thousands lose their jobs?

If you are mandated to have 1 sku with no differentiation apart from the name (and what is inside) you won't need as many factories thus not as many staff. Paper, ink suppliers and other ancillary industries will also be affected as the amount required drops.
Will it cause a drop in the amount of people smoke.. almost certainly not. Will it cause a drop in revenue to the tax authorities.. absolutely!
Will it allow some smarmy politician to pretend they have done something.. of course.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:53 pm ]
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jonbwfc wrote:
l3v1ck wrote:
I think he means it will be harder to tell fakes from real cigs.

Do smokers really care that much if they're smoking fake or real brands?

When I smoked (no cigs for 4 months so far!) I prefered the lucky strike teppic brand for its flavour and I could tell the difference between quite a few brands.
As for most smokers caring if they smoked real or faked I don't know but I did :D
Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:15 pm ]
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bobbdobbs wrote:
jonbwfc wrote:
bobbdobbs wrote:
Thousands will lose their jobs and it won't achieve the aim

if it doesn't achieve it's aim, how will thousands lose their jobs?

If you are mandated to have 1 sku with no differentiation apart from the name (and what is inside) you won't need as many factories thus not as many staff. Paper, ink suppliers and other ancillary industries will also be affected as the amount required drops.

Well, you do mostly need the same number of people, if you're still making as many cigarettes. The only thing you're going to need less of is the people who design the packaging.

if you are making and selling less cigarettes then yes, you'll need less people making cigarettes. And that's unlucky for the specific people. But I'll take less people dying horrible deaths as over-riding their misfortune, personally.

bobbdobbs wrote:
Will it allow some smarmy politician to pretend they have done something.. of course.

There's quite a lot of that in it I suspect yes.
Author:  ProfessorF [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:03 pm ]
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It worked in Australia.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c4016952-0d4a-11e4-bcb2-00144feabdc0.html
Author:  Spreadie [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:55 pm ]
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I tried a cigarette at the end of January, after two years of cold turkey.

It was vile.

I was gutted.

My visions of enjoying the occasional ciggie went up in smoke or, more accurately, down the drain.
Author:  bobbdobbs [ Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:17 pm ]
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ProfessorF wrote:
It worked in Australia.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c4016952-0d4a-11e4-bcb2-00144feabdc0.html



Quote:
The big three tobacco companies in Australia – British American Tobacco, Imperial Tobacco and Philip Morris – said last month their combined sales in the country increased by 59m cigarettes or equivalent in 2013, the first rise in five years, following the introduction of plain packaging.

I'd say that's a mixed message.
Plus illicit trade is up 25% and average cost is down. A total win then for a policy that doesn't address the problem.
The data also doesnt support that position that plain packaging is working. Its far too soon

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