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oceanicitl
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:08 pm |
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rustybucket
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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_________________Jim
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:41 pm |
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pcernie
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Ted Nugent on Cecil the Lion Killing: "This Whole Story is a Lie" - Hollywood Reporter - Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/t ... ing-811881
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:44 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
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 Apparently the American guy thought his hunt was perfectly legal. That makes him an unwitting victim of fraud. The fact he'd gone to Africa to kill a lion at all makes him an utter knob jockey.
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:17 pm |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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Ted is known for Cat Scratch Fever. And being a friggin' loon.
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:25 pm |
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Spreadie
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:06 pm Posts: 6355 Location: IoW
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Because cathartic retribution cures all ills, of course!
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:18 am |
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oceanicitl
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Because he kills animals for fun and has been prosecuted in the past for illegally poaching bear in his home town. What gives him the right to cruelly kill such amazing animals? Killing animals for food I can understand but I don't agree in killing any animal for 'sport'. I guess you do?
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:34 am |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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I think you are getting the wrong end of the stick.
I'm pretty sure that Rusty would like to see them punished, but killing them isn't the answer.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:38 am |
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oceanicitl
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No? Unfortunately we are the only animals on the planet who think we can do what we want with no comeback. What punishment would you suggest for him? I know I'm not the only one who thinks death would be appropriate. You only have to look at what's been said on the internmet in the last 24 hours. Anyway the death penalty is still going in some states of America.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:17 am |
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jonbwfc
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Actually, pretty much all animals probably do think exactly that, because there are very few animals on the planet intelligent enough to know that actions have consequences. If a cat kills a mouse, he's not thinking 'oh lord, that mouse might have had a family'. However we are probably the only animals who do understand the long term consequences of our actions and also go on hunting safaris. The idea anybody could think killing a lion was 'Ok' is... astonishing. What he did was pretty horrible by any standards. Some people think death is an appropriate sentence for an ill-judged tweet. His punishment should be the punishment according to Zimbabwean law for illegally killing a lion, which is what he has done. If that IS the death penalty well, hard luck him, but I suspect it's not. It may be quite harsh though - I don't think I'd want to spend a long time in a Zimbabwean jail. No. Just No. We are not running a justice system based on 'what people on the internet say'. That's a 'thumb in the air' indicator of public opinion but a justice system has to be more... considered than that. But not for killing an animal...
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:34 am |
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oceanicitl
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:04 am Posts: 11039 Location: London
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@jonbwfc
Thanks but I'd actually aimed my questions at Dave and Rusty
Nice of you to take time out of your day to respond. You really should stop taking me so literally.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:19 am |
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big_D
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:25 pm Posts: 10691 Location: Bramsche
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Pretty much what Jon said.
While what he has done is pretty heinous, a death sentence is a bit extreme in a civilized society. Just because he acts uncivilized, do we have to sink to his level, when it comes to punishing him.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:43 pm |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
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We need to bring the whole 'mandatory smiley' thing back 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:33 pm |
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rustybucket
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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No I don't But I also don't see any inherent problem in the act of shooting a lion
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:55 pm |
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Zippy
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I don't know that it's just the fact that it's 'a lion', I think it's got more to do with the fact that it's an endangered species, protected by law, lured from a reserve by unscrupulous people to be killed by a trophy hunter for a big wodge of cash that will do absolutely nothing for the country.
For me, the biggest piece here is that we're running out of species that aren't human, on this planet. Humans as a species have hunted so many animals to extinction and we have a very definite feeling of superiority that we have no real right to, over all 'animals' which is really changing the landscape of the planet we live on. I object to the hunting of animals for trophies and for big packets of cash, particularly in a place as corrupt as Africa and even more so when it's animals from reserves and protected areas.
I wholeheartedly support the guards on the bears, rhinos and elephants who are trying to prevent more species being hunted to extinction by poachers for the sake of money from a country who believe in magical powers! I do hope the guards kill the poachers, but while I don't necessarily think this idiotic american knew much about the local guides tricking the lion out of it's reserve so he could kill it (although I'd be surprised if he didn't have a clue) I think the fact that he paid $55k to do it is abhorrent, that money could go to someone really making a difference in Africa, medecins sans frontieres for a start, to have it actually going to the people rather than to the corrupt government officials would be a far better use of the money than the murder of 1 member of an endangered species!!
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