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Author:  pcernie [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:10 pm ]
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Shops can track you via your smartphone, privacy watchdog warns | Technology | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... hdog-warns

Good, I was finding there just weren't enough forms of surveillance in society.

Author:  timark_uk [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:15 pm ]
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pcernie wrote:
Shops can track you via your smartphone, privacy watchdog warns | Technology | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... hdog-warns

Good, I was finding there just weren't enough forms of surveillance in society.
Great. So even if the wi-fi on your phone is off when you're out and about (like it is with mine), then it's really still on. *sigh*

Mark

Author:  pcernie [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:44 pm ]
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timark_uk wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Shops can track you via your smartphone, privacy watchdog warns | Technology | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... hdog-warns

Good, I was finding there just weren't enough forms of surveillance in society.
Great. So even if the wi-fi on your phone is off when you're out and about (like it is with mine), then it's really still on. *sigh*

Mark


Yeah, that threw me as well. I always assumed GPS was like your network connection. Can't say I'm happy with the discovery... it's news to me at least!

Author:  jonbwfc [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:08 pm ]
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I believe on quite a lot of phones you can switch wifi triangulation off by one means or other. On an iPhone if you switch location services off that would do so. Flight mode would do so obviously but that's a bit overkill.

Author:  Spreadie [ Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:18 am ]
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pcernie wrote:
Shops can track you via your smartphone

No, they can't.

I only turn location/data/wifi on when I need them - longer lasting battery ftw.

Author:  pcernie [ Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:22 am ]
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Spreadie wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Shops can track you via your smartphone

No, they can't.

I only turn location/data/wifi on when I need them - longer lasting battery ftw.


Yeah, I've a series of 'buttons', but I never knew GPS ran off Wi-Fi even when it's not activated.

Author:  cloaked_wolf [ Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:09 pm ]
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Quote:
the modern smartphone leaves Wi-Fi on, even when manually switched off for data connectivity, as a way of pinpointing its location


Very frustrating as I normally switch off wifi when I'm out and about. I've been in places where data signal is so poor it drops but I'm still able to use google maps to a tiny degree.

Author:  davrosG5 [ Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:18 pm ]
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I found under Win 10 Mobile that the default behaviour if you switch off WiFi is for it to come back on automatically after an hour. You need to fiddle with the settings so make 'Off' mean 'Off until I tell you otherwise'.
Note entirely sure what it's doing when it says it's off of course.

Author:  l3v1ck [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:22 pm ]
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The spying I expect.
What's is news to me is that is that WiFi is on even when it's off. I always have mobile data, WiFi and Bluetooth turned off unless I'm using them.

Author:  big_D [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:53 am ]
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pcernie wrote:
Yeah, I've a series of 'buttons', but I never knew GPS ran off Wi-Fi even when it's not activated.

It doesn't. When GPS is turned off, it is turned off. But phones, tablets and PCs have been using Wi-Fi assist to get rough positioning from wi-fi points for about a decade now.

That is what Google got in trouble for, with their Google Streetview cars. They were snooping Wi-Fi networks and storing not just SSIDs, but also unencrypted traffic.

They know the location and triangulation of Wi-Fi points in an area (there are other companies that offer similar services for Apple, Microsoft etc.), so by seeing which access points are visible and how strong the signals are, they can guess at your rough location, even if GPS is turned off. Therefore you also need to turn off Wi-Fi (and Bluetooth), if you really don't want them to be able to track you - although the telco and the police (with a warrant), will still be able to track you based on cell towers.

Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:45 am ]
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big_D wrote:
pcernie wrote:
Yeah, I've a series of 'buttons', but I never knew GPS ran off Wi-Fi even when it's not activated.

It doesn't. When GPS is turned off, it is turned off. But phones, tablets and PCs have been using Wi-Fi assist to get rough positioning from wi-fi points for about a decade now.

That is what Google got in trouble for, with their Google Streetview cars. They were snooping Wi-Fi networks and storing not just SSIDs, but also unencrypted traffic.

They know the location and triangulation of Wi-Fi points in an area (there are other companies that offer similar services for Apple, Microsoft etc.), so by seeing which access points are visible and how strong the signals are, they can guess at your rough location, even if GPS is turned off. Therefore you also need to turn off Wi-Fi (and Bluetooth), if you really don't want them to be able to track you - although the telco and the police (with a warrant), will still be able to track you based on cell towers.


Brevity typing there mate ;)

Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:25 pm ]
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http://www.amazon.com/FawkesBOX-Smart-p ... B00QQUQTV2

Author:  pcernie [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:19 pm ]
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paulzolo wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/FawkesBOX-Smart-phone-Faraday-Cage/dp/B00QQUQTV2


:D

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