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paulzolo
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35594245What Apple has been told to do is to allow brute force passcode entry. At the moment, iOS puts a delay in between each passcode entry to stop this kind of attack. The delay means that years could be added to the time to enter the passcode. Whet Apple has been ordered to do is write software / a version of iOS that ignores this delay, and also does not erase the phone after a certain number of failed attempts. Apple appear to be contesting this order.
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davrosG5
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If they cave in then that's basically it for iPhone security and more general mobile phone security as well.
Put the massive pile of cash to good use Apple and tell the FBI to bog off.
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big_D
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I believeit isthe phone to auto deleting itself, if you give the wrong PIN too many times. I think that was more the concern.
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Fogmeister
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Yeah it's the fact that the phone deletes all its info after 10 wrong inputs that they want to get around.
The next bit is that even without the restriction it would take years to enter all possible combinations so they'd like a way to automagically enter passcode attempts.
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paulzolo
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There’s a delay of a few seconds introduced after each failed attempt to enter the code, so it would take about 5 years or so to brute force the pass code - assuming, of course, that it’s a 4 digit one. Apple has been prompting the user to create 6 digit codes recently.
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big_D
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pcernie
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Fogmeister
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Yeah, I believe it the default on iOS 9 with Touch ID. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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jonbwfc
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Interesting article on the technicalitiesTLDR version : what the FBI is asking for is technically possible but is only useful provided the iPhone doesn't have TouchID (the phone in the current case is a 5C, which doesn't have TouchID). Apparently the hardware of itself limits access attempts to one every 80ms. At that speed all possible combinations for a 4-digit PIN can be attempted in roughly half an hour.
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timark_uk
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The official Apple letter to customersYou can certainly see the argument. Mark
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pcernie
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It's got serious legal precedent potential.
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paulzolo
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That’s the thing. If Apple buckles on this case, then everyone will have to comply with similar requests in the future - Google, Microsoft, Blackberry and others. And if the buckle in the USA, then every other country will feel they can make similar demands.
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timark_uk
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E. F. Benson
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Skimming the Guardian this evening i read a couple of articles with a contrarian viewpoint. I don't share their views but it is interesting to read and see how shallow the thought process is.
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timark_uk
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Apple backed by San Bernardino relative ahead of Congress hearingIt's been interesting reading about this case. The biggest 'wow' moment for me was learning that the iCloud password was changed at the behest of the FBI. For the most part, the FBI does appear to have been totally up-front and open about the case, if not about the motives behind getting what it wants from Apple. Mark
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