I am noticing headlines that seem unfortunately ambiguous.

why was the cctv footage of it all demanded to be deleted?

I wasn't aware that anybody had made this demand. If so, that's slightly disturbing. Have you got a source?

ill try find it again, someone had shown me it, very sad if true, whats got me curious is the aftermath video where theres "dead bodies" on the ground with little pools of "blood", ive seen many a photograph with victims being run over and almost always theres body parts everywhere and the bodies are mangled and the blood trail is spread etc, on the wheels too yet in this footage of this aftermath all the bodies are all intact, somethings not right.... and front of that truck has not a spot of blood on it either... not dismissing its fake outright but makes me skeptical seeing as the boston bombings in usa was all faked, and many other "scaremongering" false flags

whats also fishy to me is they always say they find a passport on the attacker etc, like they magically every terrorist carries one in their pocket which would be weird, and its always the police that "find" them

maybe it was this I saw about the cctv deletion demand:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... tille-day/

In France, it's the law to carry ID. Now, if you were off to do something big and heinous like drive a truck into a crowd of people, you don't want your time beforehand taken up dealing with the police asking you why you don't have an ID. It'll put you off your stride.

ah that explains that then

It is the law in many parts of Europe. Here you have to carry your German ID card with you at all times, if you aren't a German citizen, you have to carry your passport - I had to get certified copies of my passport recently for other reasons, so I'm carrying a verified copy of my passport in my wallet at the moment. Carrying a passport with you is a pain, the ID card is credit card sized and it can be used for all online transactions with the government and many retailers, as proof of ID (it has an NFC chip and you swipe it over the NFC reader on your PC or smartphone).

There is a new law in place, that every country now has to accept every other EU countries online identity verification using NFC ID cards (E.g. if you are Dutch and book a service in Germany, you can use your Dutch ID card to verify your identity on the German website - there is a central standard for verification and data exchange, the website sends the card ID information to its national verification agency, it recognizes a foreign card and diverts the request to the relevant country, and once the verification has been confirmed, the token is sent back to the original website.

Works with all EU countries, except the UK, probably...

Nothing Big Brotherish about that at all .....hmm cant see a "tin hat smiley"

The fundamental principle of the EU is unification. Always has been, always will be. It's not realpolitik for politicians to admit it but pretty much every action the EU takes implies it. A Europe wide ID card (or ID card standard at least) is one of the things that would be required for that to be complete.

You may see that as a bad thing or you may not. A unified Europe has certain political, social and economic advantages as well as drawbacks in the same categories. It's certainly not a 'black or white' situation.

The UK would not currently be able to participate for the obvious reason that we don't have national ID cards anyway and a recent attempt to bring them in proved very unpopular. I can't imagine trying the same thing again with the tagline 'It's because of the EU' would prove any more successful. However most mainland Europe has had ID cards of some form for a very long time, and I doubt anyone sane at all is going to claim mainland Europe is more 'big brotherish' than Great 'More CCTV cameras than any other country in the world' Britain

That's the difference, you'd trust an entire group of countries with ID cards over your own.

Well the ID card isn't really the issue, it's who has access to the data the ID card is used to authenticate against. I do a bit of this stuff (for academia rather than government) as part of my job so, for example, an academic from say France can come over to a conference at a UK university and log onto the wifi using his own credentials from his own university rather than us having to issue temporary credentials for every single visitor we get. The point is we don't get access to any of his data, we just get to ask his university 'is this username and password correct?'

I have no problem at all with a Europe wide standard ID card that means a government system could verify I am who I say I am when allowing me access to places or services. We already do that in an 'old school' way with passports. if I have a serious accident of some sort in Spain, it would be quite useful to be able to authorise a Spanish doctor to look at my UK medical records. On the other hand, I don't want a Spanish border guard to be able to look at my medical records just because I swiped my European ID card at his desk in the airport.

Identification (and authentication) are not of themselves dangerous. It's how the information they generate and give access to is used that is. And frankly in that sense I don't trust our government very much at all, so how much i trust a foreign government is kind of moot.