Apple is killing off one of its most iconic features: its startup chime
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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| Author: | oceanicitl [ Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:26 pm ] |
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Apple is killing off one of its most iconic features: its startup chime NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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| Author: | timark_uk [ Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:58 pm ] |
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That's odd, as it is also used as a diagnostic tool for hardware issues. I guess that hardware problems can be diagnosed differently now. *shrug* Mark |
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| Author: | big_D [ Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:01 pm ] |
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It's Apple, they don't go wrong! 
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| Author: | oceanicitl [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:40 am ] | |||||||||
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My home Macbook is about 3 years old now and I've never had any problems with it |
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| Author: | oceanicitl [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:41 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Did you read the article?
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| Author: | jonlumb [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:09 am ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I don't see how that quote answers Mark's question; the confirmation that it's actually progressing with boot is necessary regardless of the exact method for turning on the machine. It turning on when you open the screen doesn't give you any more information. Also, does this mean that if your laptop is open and off you have to shut it and reopen it again to get it to start? |
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| Author: | oceanicitl [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:16 am ] | |||||||||
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Well it says to me that the start up / diagnostic process will be different to what we know now. I could be wrong though. And yes I got the impression that opening it would boot it. What happens if you have an external screen or TV connected? Does it remain active if you close the lid? |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:29 am ] | |||||||||
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I suspect what's happening is the laptop is never actually 'shutting down' in the traditional sense. What's happening is it's going into what used to be described as 'hibernation mode'. Given macbooks are now entirely solid state I imagine they can hibernate for a pretty long time if they have to - definitely days, probably weeks. So they will probably wake up if you press a key or the touchpad, which of course you can't do with the lid shut. Be interested to know if they wake up if you waggle a bluetooth mouse that's connected. Jon |
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| Author: | BigRedX [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:02 pm ] |
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When I first read this, I was a little sad - after all the start-up chime is one of the things that set Macs apart from other computers when they first appeared. Then it occurred to me that these days the only time I hear the Start-up chime on any of my Macs is when I have run an update that requires the Mac to be restarted. However as others have said, it is a useful diagnostic tool for Macs being run in headless mode, and since I would imagine the majority of Macs sold these days are MacBooks and iMacs with built-in displays, the chime is less important. It will be interesting to see what happens when the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro are updated. |
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| Author: | jonbwfc [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:40 pm ] | |||||||||
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Oh, you've got to love the optimism. |
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| Author: | oceanicitl [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:52 pm ] | |||||||||
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How often do you do any diagnostics on macs these days? I left the mac support business as they were so reliable and I'd become nothing more than a re-imaging monkey despite having 20 years experience. There was no longer any challenges for me in the job. |
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| Author: | big_D [ Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:31 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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My Acer laptop is 13 years old, my Fujitsu tower is 10 year old, my Sony Vaio is 7 years old, none have ever had any problems - the Acer is very slow now and just used for managing the ISDN telephone system, the Sony has had an SSD upgrade (the old HD is now in a USB case, it was fine, but the Sony is now as fast as the 2015 Surface Pro 3 I had), the Fujitsu is working as a Linux server. The iMac is 9 years old and the graphic card or mainboard is playing up and there is occasional screen corruption when the machine gets warm; but that is fairly irrelevant as Apple stopped supplying security updates 3 years ago. It is now running Linux and Windows, as they are still supporting it, but due to the graphics problem it rarely gets used. |
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| Author: | big_D [ Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:43 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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That will probably depend on how long it has been off/suspended. normally (under Windows), my laptops / tablets will last for a couple of days in suspend mode and weeks in hibernate mode. Hibernate obviously takes longer to restart, even on solid state. You still need to shovel the complete RAM from the image on the SSD back into memory, that can take a few seconds. If it is in hibernate, as opposed to suspend, then it should do a quick hardware check, to ensure that everything is connected. You generally need some form of diagnostics, so I would guess that it will only make sounds if there is a problem, if it is the normal resume process, then simply waking the display and showing the Apple logo while the memory is restored (from hibernate) would be enough. Having the gong go off every time you open the lid would be very annoying. I use my HP in my classes and when I want to show my students something, I'll quickly flip it open and it will wake up and I can demonstrate something, close it and carry on. If it made a gong sound every time I opened it, I probably wouldn't bother showing them any additional resources, because it would be too distracting. The Bluetooth requires power, if the Mac is in suspend mode and the mouse uses BT LE, it might be possible to keep the BT chip poling, if it is in hibernate mode, then no, it won't wake to external wireless peripherals. A USB keyboard/mouse might work, but again probably only in suspend and not hibernate. If you keep BT LE or USB powered to pole for a keypress or moving mouse, you will dramatically reduce the stand-by time. |
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| Author: | veato [ Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:52 am ] | |||||||||
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What about Wall-E!! |
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| Author: | BigRedX [ Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:08 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Actually it's not so much the reliability (IME Macs have always been very reliable), but rather the lack of user upgradable parts in the latest versions that means there is almost nothing for the average end-user to diagnose - they either work or they don't. However if you are still supporting old-style Mac Pros (which a lot of my clients have) then there is still a good deal of diagnosing to be done when you are trying extract a bit more performance out of them. |
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