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Paul Golding has been jailed for eight weeks after admitting breaching a High Court injunction that forbade him from entering any mosque in England and Wales without permission.

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1000 Muslims block London streets chanting Allahu Akbar to demand Islamic caliphate


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Blocking a street is a public order offence, generally speaking. You could argue that what they are chanting makes it a racially aggravated public order offence, which ups the issue somewhat, but it would still be considered fairly low down the legal ladder of offenses. They don't blanket arrest anybody for public order problems, no matter what horrible things they're chanting. Otherwise the entirety of the EDL would have spent most of the last decade behind bars, along with a probable roughly equal number of muslims, and wouldn't that have been fun?

Breaching a court order however is considered to be contempt of court and, as is apparent, you go to jail for that. The reason why he did so is effectively irrelevant - the court told him he shouldn't do something, he did it anyway. In fact he was stupid/belligerent enough to be recorded doing it, which is going to do nothing but make the court throw the book at him even harder.

The two events are not at all comparable, frankly. One was a group of people doing something which is a bit irritating and a bit distasteful. The other was lone individual doing something which a legally applied court order specifically told him not to do. Quite a lot of people think the sentences for CoC are overly harsh in the UK, but the base fact is if you a judge tells you not to do something and you effectively go 'Nah, sod you mate, I'll do what I like' the response is pretty much always 'Oh? really? In the cells you go then'.

I thought you were in favour of 'taking control back' and giving authority and the power to make decisions back to our own British courts anyway? or is it only if the courts make decisions you like?


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Blocking a street is a public order offence, generally speaking. You could argue that what they are chanting makes it a racially aggravated public order offence, which ups the issue somewhat, but it would still be considered fairly low down the legal ladder of offenses. They don't blanket arrest anybody for public order problems, no matter what horrible things they're chanting. Otherwise the entirety of the EDL would have spent most of the last decade behind bars, along with a probable roughly equal number of muslims, and wouldn't that have been fun?

Breaching a court order however is considered to be contempt of court and, as is apparent, you go to jail for that. The reason why he did so is effectively irrelevant - the court told him he shouldn't do something, he did it anyway. In fact he was stupid/belligerent enough to be recorded doing it, which is going to do nothing but make the court throw the book at him even harder.

The two events are not at all comparable, frankly. One was a group of people doing something which is a bit irritating and a bit distasteful. The other was lone individual doing something which a legally applied court order specifically told him not to do. Quite a lot of people think the sentences for CoC are overly harsh in the UK, but the base fact is if you a judge tells you not to do something and you effectively go 'Nah, sod you mate, I'll do what I like' the response is pretty much always 'Oh? really? In the cells you go then'.

I thought you were in favour of 'taking control back' and giving authority and the power to make decisions back to our own British courts anyway? or is it only if the courts make decisions you like?



i am and he broke the court order and was sentenced accordingly, no problem there.
the other item is posted because some people seem to stick there heads in the sand and ignore the possible reasons why ...

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1000 Muslims block London streets chanting Allahu Akbar to demand Islamic caliphate


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/743 ... -caliphate


Have been trying to find other news sources for this (Googling "demonstration Belgrave Square, London caliphate Syria"), but so far, not much has come to light. I do like to see such things from more than one reputable source, and lI’m treating the Express as something that has alleged that an event too place, and try to find other reports that will back it up.

Daily Mail, Express (both who have a very strong anti-muslim agenda anyway, so will inflate anything to levels of hysteria no matter how small), and alt-right outlet Brietbart reported it. However, the Express quotes Brietbart heavily, so it’s possible that the story originated there. RT is along for the ride, but they love anything that looks slightly destabilising in Western Europe (it’s Putin’s mouthpiece, after all). Other results seem to be from the more colourful end of the white supremacists brigade.

You would think that a demo that size would be more widely reported, especially as the whole Syria things going on is a big story. However, three or four pages of search results from Google show, other sensible (ie those which don’t hyperventilate every time a muslim appears somewhere) news outlets here have not reported it.

Nothing on BBC, ITV, or Sky News sites. Nothing from other news papers in the UK. Not even The Evening Standard or The Metro? Nope.

So something happened, but it was less exciting than you thought.

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That'll be the leftie media elite shutting down the story of course <tinfoil hat>

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That'll be the leftie media elite shutting down the story of course <tinfoil hat>

yeah, The Evening Standard, pretty much run by communists you know :D


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MrStevenRogers wrote:
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1000 Muslims block London streets chanting Allahu Akbar to demand Islamic caliphate


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/743 ... -caliphate


Have been trying to find other news sources for this (Googling "demonstration Belgrave Square, London caliphate Syria"), but so far, not much has come to light. I do like to see such things from more than one reputable source, and lI’m treating the Express as something that has alleged that an event too place, and try to find other reports that will back it up.

Daily Mail, Express (both who have a very strong anti-muslim agenda anyway, so will inflate anything to levels of hysteria no matter how small), and alt-right outlet Brietbart reported it. However, the Express quotes Brietbart heavily, so it’s possible that the story originated there. RT is along for the ride, but they love anything that looks slightly destabilising in Western Europe (it’s Putin’s mouthpiece, after all). Other results seem to be from the more colourful end of the white supremacists brigade.

You would think that a demo that size would be more widely reported, especially as the whole Syria things going on is a big story. However, three or four pages of search results from Google show, other sensible (ie those which don’t hyperventilate every time a muslim appears somewhere) news outlets here have not reported it.

Nothing on BBC, ITV, or Sky News sites. Nothing from other news papers in the UK. Not even The Evening Standard or The Metro? Nope.

So something happened, but it was less exciting than you thought.


as i stated head in sand look at reports concerning other UK areas they already hold a caliphate...

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not necessarily reported in EU or UK papers ...

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That'll be the leftie media elite shutting down the story of course <tinfoil hat>


that has happened, just take the BBC for example ...

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davrosG5 wrote:
That'll be the leftie media elite shutting down the story of course <tinfoil hat>


that has happened, just take the BBC for example ...

Nice hat :P

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MrStevenRogers wrote:
davrosG5 wrote:
That'll be the leftie media elite shutting down the story of course <tinfoil hat>


that has happened, just take the BBC for example ...

Nice hat :P


the events last new year in Germany was first reported in a Canadian paper not in the EU press or the UK press, shall i go on wearing my hat
i now see that these events with video footage are being presented showing the police unable to cope but its taken a year for it to be released, shall i go on wearing my hat ...

just as a side note. massive police presence at this new years celebration in Germany. can i take off my hat now ...

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It was big news the next morning here, I'm guessing that Germany is not suddenly part of Canada...

On the 5th January, most papers and online magazines were already running summarised "what we know so far" stories.

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It was big news the next morning here, I'm guessing that Germany is not suddenly part of Canada...

On the 5th January, most papers and online magazines were already running summarised "what we know so far" stories.



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Days after the Cologne assaults took place, the city’s police chief resigned amid pressure to step down. His critics had not only blamed him for not having prevented the mass attacks, but also for not revealing what had happened quickly enough.

On the day after the assaults, rumors about it were spreading on social media – but officials kept silent about it at first. Media outlets, including the country’s public broadcasters, were later accused of collaborating with officials because there was barely any coverage of it.


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/12/ge ... -reported/

you were saying.
it was first reported in Canadian papers before it was reported in EU or UK papers ...

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So you are taking the word of a US newspaper over that of someone who was actually in Germany at the time?

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So you are taking the word of a US newspaper over that of someone who was actually in Germany at the time?


to do with this particular incident yes ...

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