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Author:  pcernie [ Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:29 pm ]
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38368144

Look, you can't go bringing politics and remembrance into corruption and money laundering. It's just not right.
Author:  l3v1ck [ Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:10 pm ]
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[LIFTED] FIFA
Author:  jonbwfc [ Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:52 pm ]
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They'll probably have to do without ooh I dunno, maybe a whole buffet lunch to pay them.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:04 pm ]
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l3v1ck wrote:
[LIFTED] FIFA


+1 ...
Author:  hifidelity2 [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:14 am ]
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pcernie wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38368144

Look, you can't go bringing politics and remembrance into corruption and money laundering. It's just not right.


+1

"If you had only put £10K in an envelope before hand this would not have been an issue"
Author:  paulzolo [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Fifa fines home nations over poppies
The Poppy has become much more political that it should be.

Quote:
It insists poppies are not political. “Wearing a poppy is a personal choice,” it [the Royal British Legion] adds. “It is not compulsory, but is greatly appreciated by those it helps.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... e-get-here

Quote:
Over the decades, as the memory of both wars began to fade, the the poppy began to take on a subtle new meaning. To many people it had become a patriotic duty to wear one, a symbol of pride in the sacrifices of the armed services. Indeed all those who had ever worn a military uniform had become “heroes”, and the dead were described euphemistically as “having fallen”.

In an utterly unintended way the remembrance customs now serve to sanitise war and even to make the military option a respectable political option.

[...]

Today, millions still wear the poppy every autumn, but millions choose not to. It has become a cause of social division as each year the debate is rehearsed as to what the poppy really symbolises, and under what circumstances it is appropriate to display it. The debate this year about whether the England and Scotland football teams should wear poppy armbands illustrates how passionately the arguments are felt and how increasingly polarised views have become.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... emembrance

Quote:
Last weekend [article written published Wednesday 4 November 2015], Irish footballer James McClean maintained his refusal to wear the poppy. In his eyes, wearing the poppy would disrespect the people who died on Bloody Sunday. Indeed, the 2010 Saville Report itself concluded that British paratroopers shot and killed fleeing unarmed civilians.

So, was McClean respected for his well-reasoned opinion? What do you think? A Twitter-storm soon ensued as the player was branded as “scum of the highest order”, “a terrorist sympathiser” and it was recommended that he should be put in a “hole full of rats”. Basically, lovely comments from the ever-understanding British public, all good-hearted people who just want to do something nice for our fallen heroes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if- ... 20786.html

So, yes, it’s a political symbol in the respect of what it has become, and not what its original intentions were. The words “Never Again” have become meaningless. Meanwhile, while the RBL insists that it’s a personal choice to wear one, the BBC plays along to the point where it INSISTS THAT THE [LIFTED] COOKIE MONSTER wears one, pushing the view that anyone on screen has to wear one, therefore normalising the requirement that everyone has wear one, playing into the hands of idiots who will happily threaten violence if one is not visible.

If FIFA want to impose fines, let them. But also let the FA pursue this in court. If footballers want to wear the poppy on the pitch, I have no problems with that - this is the RBL’s view. However, if the wearing of the poppy is mandated or suppressed by the FA, or FIFA (or, indeed any other sorting governing body), then what has it become but a political symbol?
Author:  Burn_IT [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:19 pm ]
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FA should tell FIFA to FO.

There is no way that the general public see the wearing of poppies as a political statement.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:23 pm ]
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Burn_IT wrote:
FA should tell FIFA to FO.
There is no way that the general public see the wearing of poppies as a political statement.

See above. Anyway, never going to happen, FIFA would exclude England from international matches and that's most of the FA's income.
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