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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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Canada to legalise marijuana 'by 2018' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39411026I don't agree with it, but at least we get to see the results...
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Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:24 pm |
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oceanicitl
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:04 am Posts: 11039 Location: London
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What don't you agree with? In the press just yesterday there was a case of a woman who gave her terminally ill son cannabis and it has not only stopped the symptoms but he's showing signs of recovery. They haven't done enough testing to know the full medical benefits but it helps a lot of people. http://metro.co.uk/2017/03/27/mum-expla ... r-6536249/
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Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:56 am |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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No problem with medicinal use, but I don't agree with giving it to the wider public. Especially not when drug use of every description is generally falling. Why on earth would you sell something that increases psychosis long term in the average punter never mind someone who had mental health problems to start with?
It's not about containing a problem, it's about not spending money on policing it then outright profiteering from it. Right up to creating addicts for money.
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Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:26 pm |
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oceanicitl
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:04 am Posts: 11039 Location: London
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Do you really think keeping it illegal stops people using it? Just because it's no longer illegal doesn't necessarily mean more people would use it. Drink and tobacco does far more damage that pot ever has.
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Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:20 pm |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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I'm not saying anything about legality, just that implying it's a perfectly sensible thing to sell is BS. We're told the consumption rate of every drug bar caffeine is going down generally, so why legalise a 'new' one? It's totally illogical in that sense.
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Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:43 pm |
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davrosG5
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:37 am Posts: 6954 Location: Peebo
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I guess one argument is that if it's available from a legal controlled source you cut the link to dealers who may have other drugs to sell that are more destructive. There is also the possibility of decent quality and strength control. If it's legal and regulated people know what they are getting.
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Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:34 pm |
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hifidelity2
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:03 pm Posts: 5041 Location: London
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...and don't forget the tax revinue
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:07 am |
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jonbwfc
What's a life?
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:26 pm Posts: 17040
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To be fair, they won't even have to change the flag that much..
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:59 am |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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I can only guess, but I reckon street dealers will simply up the ante one way or another. Like for any new competition in a marketplace. Maybe even cutting prices if it comes to it. Plus you probably don't want people knowing you smoke dope, so it'll actually be less conspicuous using a dealer. What's currently on my mind is how it'll affect broader crimes and convictions. Driving whilst stoned? Fatal accident whilst stoned? Manslaughter OR murder because the suspect wasn't totally with it? The government could be looking at a serious backlash with just a stoned driver. There's other major aspects too. Health and liability insurance, the safety of colleagues and family... It strikes me as a total can of worms.
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:24 pm |
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oceanicitl
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Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:04 am Posts: 11039 Location: London
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My American friends who live in States where it's legal are quite happy for people to know they smoke. One of them also brought some over in an e-cig when she stayed with me last year 
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:29 pm |
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hifidelity2
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:03 pm Posts: 5041 Location: London
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I guess you can look at the last time something that is (becoming more) broadly socially acceptable become legal – prohibition in the US When it was made Legal the gangsters moved onto other things (harder drugs etc ) but overall they did reduce in power / turnover While the average back street dealer may well move onto harder drugs their customers may well not want that and are happy with what they can buy legally from the local “Tesco’s”
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Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:19 am |
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pcernie
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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:30 pm Posts: 45931 Location: Belfast
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The thing is legalisation has been totally ineffective then because the dealers aren't going away and they will likely sell more profitable drugs over time, exacerbating the problem. Meanwhile vthe government legitimses and creates new addicts.
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:01 am |
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hifidelity2
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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That's the argument of whether soft drugs lead to hard drugs If I have to buy my weeds from a dealer he will try and get me to try something harder - maybe a free sample to get me hooked. IF I buy from Tesco's they will only try and upsell me some tins of beans I will therefore never meet a dealer and so have less chance of getting into harder drugs
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Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:00 am |
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pcernie
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Not too many dealers will suddenly disappear because of these outlets, there's too much money in it full stop. So all you eventually get are new addicts who might never have met a dealer but will wanna see what the hype is about.
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Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:28 pm |
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hifidelity2
I haven't seen my friends in so long
Joined: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:03 pm Posts: 5041 Location: London
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Like any business there will be some “consolidation” within the (dealer) market place – This may take the form of VERY hostile takeovers
While there will always be people who go looking for a harder fix it becomes harder to find it if there is a smaller base
There is also the socially acceptableness – Weed is now becoming socially acceptable, harder drugs less so
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Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:15 am |
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