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Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:54 am ] | |||||||||
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my sympathy goes out to those that have lost their jobs. but this is a problem that was created by all major party's, who seemed to enjoy dancing on the death bed of public service ... https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/90524 ... tony-blair ps. this is not, as far as i am aware, EU related ... |
Author: | paulzolo [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:21 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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At the end of 2016, they were blaming the reorganisation of Whitehall after the Brexit vote for the slow down of orders. https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... referendum Here the blame is laid more squarely at aggressive expansion and trying to recover too late.
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articl ... and-brexit The article continues:
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Author: | saspro [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:56 pm ] | |||||||||
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Partly is ![]() After the Brexit vote, a lot of the investors & developers etc pulled their projects from the UK and a lot of materials for projects that were underway were also bought in Euro's so when the vote caused the pound to drop in value, it killed their margins, caused losses and wiped out operational budget. |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:11 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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if that is the case, which i doubt, i hope more big PFI/PPP company's go to the wall, enabling these sorts of contracts to be brought back in house. ie Govt./Nationally controlled totally. very big smiley ![]() |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:13 pm ] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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the world will end tomorrow it will be a 'hard sun' because of Brexit. then we will not have to worry about leave or remain. i see no comments on the workers that have lost jobs and the management taking massive salaries and bonuses, shareholders being paid dividends and pension funds going bust. but that is to be expected. well done you two the spearhead of the remoan camp bringing forth more project fear, please keep it coming i just love it ... |
Author: | saspro [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:49 pm ] | |||||||||
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Sympathy isn't news or related to a news thread (which by definition should be factual & not a badly written opinion piece). Until the autopsy has happened, there's not enough evidence to say exactly where the blame is. We'll probably never know the full story, far too much government involvement in that company for the truth to come out. I'm quite surprised you'd have any sympathy at all, most of the workers were European. It was the Brits running the show that made all the money then screwed everybody else. |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:17 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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news piece ... Carillon has gone bust. i will leave the rest to your good self, i shall await with anticipation ... |
Author: | l3v1ck [ Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:22 am ] |
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This is what happens when the lowest bidder wins contracts. Companies risk underestimating costs to ensure they get the work. Any company that put in a accurate bid for a huge project would never be awarded the work as other companies would 'offer better value'. |
Author: | paulzolo [ Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:49 am ] | |||||||||
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These “better value” deals always inflate and expand afterwards anyway, as the true cost of the job become apparent. People fuss and moan that costs spiral, but I can’t help thinking that the true costs are surfacing. HS2, Hinkley Point, even Bradwell’s eventual upgrade, will cost a lot more than the numbers on the contracts. |
Author: | davrosG5 [ Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:04 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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This is something that always bugged me. If a bid has been won at a certain price then surely the obligation (and the associated) risk is on the winning bidder to absorb the costs rather than the state to keep paying more. That sounds more like blackmail to me. Until the tendering rules include sufficient disincentive to not low-ball the offer with confidence that you'll be able to bolt on extra later then we as a country will keep getting stung by this sort of thing. |
Author: | l3v1ck [ Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:45 pm ] |
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The problem with that is that some projects are so big that there's no way a company could afford to take that risk given the cost of genuinely unforeseen issued. No company is going to go into a project if there's a 50/50 chance it will bankrupt them. |
Author: | paulzolo [ Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:10 am ] |
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I am reminded that John Glenn said that the thing on his mind was the that rocket he was on was built by the cheapest bidder. |
Author: | cloaked_wolf [ Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:31 am ] |
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Frustratingly enough, this kind of stuff goes on in the NHS. Private companies outbid GP/hospital based organisations for services but then they realise they can't run it. Either they then get more money to run it or they walk away. This appears to be the preferred choice rather than let GP or hospital groups run the service. |
Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:07 pm ] | |||||||||
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -redundant its now await and watch game ... |
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