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ScienceDaily (Sep. 28, 2009) — The retroviruses which gave rise to HIV have been battling it out with mammal immune systems since mammals first evolved around 100 million years ago – about 85 million years earlier than previously thought, scientists now believe.

The remains of an ancient HIV-like virus have been discovered in the genome of the two-toed sloth [Choloepus hoffmanni] by a team led by Oxford University scientists who publish a report of their research in this week’s Science.
'Finding the fossilised remains of such a virus in this sloth is an amazing stroke of luck,’ said Dr Aris Katzourakis from Oxford’s Department of Zoology and the Institute for Emergent Infections, James Martin 21st Century School. ‘Because this sloth is so geographically and genetically isolated its genome gives us a window into the ancient past of mammals, their immune systems, and the types of viruses they had to contend with.’
The researchers found evidence of ‘foamy viruses’, a particular kind of retrovirus that resembles the complex lentiviruses, such as HIV and simian retroviruses (SIVs) – as opposed to simple retroviruses that are found throughout the genomic fossil record.
‘In previous work we had found evidence for similar viruses in the genomes of rabbits and lemurs but this new research suggests that the ancestors of complex retroviruses, such as HIV, may have been with us from the very beginnings of mammal evolution,’ said Dr Aris Katzourakis.
Understanding the historical conflict between complex viruses and mammal immune systems could lead to new approaches to combating existing retroviruses, such as HIV. It can also help scientists to decide which viruses that cross species are likely to cause dangerous pandemics – such as swine flu (H1N1) – and which, like bird flu (H5N1) and foamy viruses, cross this species barrier but then never cause pandemics in new mammal populations.


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Well according to the creationists the world is only a few million years old. This will be ignored by them. Who probably think that it is Gods gay plague still. :oops:

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Well according to the creationists the world is only a few million years old.


Uhm, isn't that thousands of years old? :?
I dunno, I try not to pay them that much attention. I thought they believed it was thrown together on a wet Wednesday about 4000 years ago?

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Amnesia10 wrote:
Well according to the creationists the world is only a few million years old.


Uhm, isn't that thousands of years old? :?
I dunno, I try not to pay them that much attention. I thought they believed it was thrown together on a wet Wednesday about 4000 years ago?

Well if you want to be precise the date was 23rd October 4004 BC as calculated by Bishop Usher. (I cant believe an amnesiac actually remembers that!)

I was being generous. Some think that the world might be older than that. 4004 BC was calculated using the ages of people in the bible.

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