http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8294670.stm
No, it's not some party he was at
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| Author: | pcernie [ Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | I was smeared, says ex-Army chief |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8294670.stm No, it's not some party he was at
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| Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I was smeared, says ex-Army chief |
i am heartened to see one of the 'officers' standing up for the troops good luck in any endeavours that he maybe involved in … |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:45 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: I was smeared, says ex-Army chief | |||||||||
Yes everyone I have spoken to about it think that the minister came out much worse in the comparison. |
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| Author: | gavomatic57 [ Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I was smeared, says ex-Army chief |
I don't know what is worse, being smeared by the government, or headhunted by the Tories. Both are insulting. |
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| Author: | ethelredalready [ Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I was smeared, says ex-Army chief |
I think thre point here is that the good General has been very circumspect about exactly what was said to whom about this new post and when. There is some evidence to suggest that the bad-mouthing he's been doing is more political than out of any concern over the British Troops. It'll be interesting to see how "outspoken" he is if\when the Eton Rifles get into power and he's in the Lords speaking for them.... As an aside I heard him on the Radio this morning and he sounds just like the sainted Mr Cameron. Coincidence? |
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| Author: | bobbdobbs [ Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:31 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: I was smeared, says ex-Army chief | |||||||||
Though someone whos actually had some experiance in the armed forces advising a party on defence can not be a bad thing. Its better than having a sanctamonious "god will judge me" politician thats never been near the armed forces (unless theres some nice PR) whos all to willing to spout crap and send them off under equiped, against the advice of anyone who has half a brain cell to a no win situation with no plan. |
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| Author: | ethelredalready [ Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:41 pm ] | |||||||||
| Post subject: | Re: I was smeared, says ex-Army chief | |||||||||
I don't doubt his expertise in respect of the Army. No matter how experienced he is if what he says purportedly as a politically neutral representative of the Armed Forces (and an employee of the State), is actually a politically motivated rant on behalf of the Tories it is meaningless. The best bit, in his self justification came when he remarked that he'd only met Cameron a few times "In Knightsbridge at the Church...." On the more general point we don't expect politicians to have direct experience of any other field (though if they have its a bonus). Mr Cameron (for example) has been a politician ever since leaving Eton & Oxford, apart from a short spell in the Media..... Hardly much "experience" of our "broken society" there then.... |
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| Author: | bobbdobbs [ Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:49 pm ] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Actually I am one of those people who think where practical the minister of state should have experiance in the department they have control and will be making policy decisions that will affect the lives of potentially millions. Unless your mr Brown then your too busy saving the world. |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I was smeared, says ex-Army chief |
Yes but then many MPs do not have relevant experience of anything other than politics. Plus if there were only one candidate with experience that would be no better. |
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| Author: | MrStevenRogers [ Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I was smeared, says ex-Army chief |
i don't care which party this person joins, he is standing for the troops something no politician is doing at the moment our troops are recieving very little support but are getting a hell of a lot of let downs they did not ask to go there or any where else, they were ordered if the person or persons who gave them these orders can not protect our troops by all means possible then they are to blame not the troops and anybody in a position to bring this too light in regard of our troops carries my utmost respect … |
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| Author: | Amnesia10 [ Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:28 pm ] | |||||||||
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I think that the politicians are a minimal part of the problem. The actual procurement and distribution of the equipment is done by civil servants and they are the ones who mess up. Politicians are just the heads of department who have little impact on the actual delivery of services. So while the General may have a higher clearance than many politicians I doubt that he will get much more done. |
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| Author: | bobbdobbs [ Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:48 am ] | ||||||||||||||||||
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Total bollucks. The politicians are the head of department and the person in charge. If they don't want the responsibility then don't do the job. This ducking of responsibility is just a way of avoiding making a choice. |
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