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Author:  pcernie [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:03 am ]
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http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/352756/gove ... ourt-order

These proposals get more watered down by the week :twisted:
Author:  Linux_User [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:05 am ]
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Not good news on the European front:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8322308.stm
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:20 am ]
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It was completely unworkable from the start. This was the only likely outcome. It would have landed the ISP's in the dock otherwise.
Author:  richard_neil [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:20 am ]
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Prohibition never works. The criminals move faster than the law makers. Who are driven by lobbyists, not sense these days. The reality is any perceived need for prohibition is due to a failure of the commercial market and or lawmakers to deliver a sane alternative.

The movie and record industries could be making money instead of spending it chasing pirates and lobbying politicians if they had any sense. I am not a pirate. I also don't buy their products. It's to expensive on line, it's fouled by DRM and so on. Music and movies are discretionary expenditure. While they are poor value my discretionary expenditure is going elsewhere. And has done for years now. I never was a big movie buyer but I used to buy records reasonably frequently and there are some I would in principle like to buy now. Not going to happen as things stand.

Richard.
Author:  pcernie [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:22 am ]
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I suspect it'll be such a mess as to be damn near unenforceable, maybe except for the usual high-profile initial cases that then peter out...
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:20 am ]
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richard_neil wrote:
Prohibition never works. The criminals move faster than the law makers. Who are driven by lobbyists, not sense these days. The reality is any perceived need for prohibition is due to a failure of the commercial market and or lawmakers to deliver a sane alternative.

The movie and record industries could be making money instead of spending it chasing pirates and lobbying politicians if they had any sense. I am not a pirate. I also don't buy their products. It's to expensive on line, it's fouled by DRM and so on. Music and movies are discretionary expenditure. While they are poor value my discretionary expenditure is going elsewhere. And has done for years now. I never was a big movie buyer but I used to buy records reasonably frequently and there are some I would in principle like to buy now. Not going to happen as things stand.

Richard.

I could not agree more. My cousin and I both buy DVD's but we have a tough price policy. If it is too expensive we ignore it. The price point we look at now is around £5 or less. ASDA are a better source of DVD's than many of the high street stores. I am surprised that they have not gone out of business with the prices they charge.
Author:  JJW009 [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:50 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
My cousin and I both buy DVD's

I trust you do not borrow them.

Borrowing a DVD or CD is copyright infringement in exactly the same way that illegally downloading one is; as explained on the notice usually printed on them.
Author:  MrStevenRogers [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:13 am ]
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Amnesia10 wrote:
richard_neil wrote:
Prohibition never works. The criminals move faster than the law makers. Who are driven by lobbyists, not sense these days. The reality is any perceived need for prohibition is due to a failure of the commercial market and or lawmakers to deliver a sane alternative.

The movie and record industries could be making money instead of spending it chasing pirates and lobbying politicians if they had any sense. I am not a pirate. I also don't buy their products. It's to expensive on line, it's fouled by DRM and so on. Music and movies are discretionary expenditure. While they are poor value my discretionary expenditure is going elsewhere. And has done for years now. I never was a big movie buyer but I used to buy records reasonably frequently and there are some I would in principle like to buy now. Not going to happen as things stand.

Richard.

I could not agree more. My cousin and I both buy DVD's but we have a tough price policy. If it is too expensive we ignore it. The price point we look at now is around £5 or less. ASDA are a better source of DVD's than many of the high street stores. I am surprised that they have not gone out of business with the prices they charge.


do they same myself, bargain bucket CDs or DVDs only …
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:15 am ]
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JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
My cousin and I both buy DVD's

I trust you do not borrow them.

Borrowing a DVD or CD is copyright infringement in exactly the same way that illegally downloading one is; as explained on the notice usually printed on them.

No but when we stay with each other we take a number of DVD's and watch them. We take our DVDs back with us. Though borrowing does seem harmless. It is not as if money changes hands, plus we have actually bought them legally.
Author:  okenobi [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:58 am ]
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JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
My cousin and I both buy DVD's

I trust you do not borrow them.

Borrowing a DVD or CD is copyright infringement in exactly the same way that illegally downloading one is; as explained on the notice usually printed on them.


FACT!

Federation Against Copyright Theft :lol:
Author:  pcernie [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:15 am ]
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okenobi wrote:
JJW009 wrote:
Amnesia10 wrote:
My cousin and I both buy DVD's

I trust you do not borrow them.

Borrowing a DVD or CD is copyright infringement in exactly the same way that illegally downloading one is; as explained on the notice usually printed on them.


FACT!

Federation Against Copyright Theft :lol:


Ed Byrne on Piracy - Mock the Week - BBC Two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHdhS2AiZ6A

Quality :D
Author:  Amnesia10 [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:45 am ]
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The anti piracy clip on bought DVD's is really annoying. I can understand on rental DVD's as people do copy these.
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