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Author:  pcernie [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Man Trapped In 23-Year 'Coma' Was Conscious

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... 3106?f=rss

Bloody hell...

Author:  brataccas [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:10 pm ]
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damn, thats a very (add another 1000 "verys") long time, makes me cringe reading that article somewhat :shock: :oops:

Author:  LaptopAcidXperience [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:56 pm ]
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That is a truly truly frightening story, I'm surprised the guy didn't go insane.

Author:  Fogmeister [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:01 pm ]
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brataccas wrote:
makes me cringe reading that article somewhat :shock: :oops:

Same.

Imagine what he would have been thinking if they had started discussing whether or not to turn off his life support.

:shock:

Author:  rustybucket [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:26 pm ]
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LaptopAcidXperience wrote:
That is a truly truly frightening story, I'm surprised the guy didn't go insane.

I find myself agreeing with you, sir.

What an unspeakable horror.

Author:  AlunD [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:43 pm ]
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rustybucket wrote:
LaptopAcidXperience wrote:
That is a truly truly frightening story, I'm surprised the guy didn't go insane.

I find myself agreeing with you, sir.

What an unspeakable horror.

:shock: +1

Author:  EddArmitage [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:45 pm ]
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AlunD wrote:
rustybucket wrote:
LaptopAcidXperience wrote:
That is a truly truly frightening story, I'm surprised the guy didn't go insane.

I find myself agreeing with you, sir.

What an unspeakable horror.

:shock: +1

It's a very, very scary concept indeed, isn't it. </ambiguity>

Author:  rustybucket [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:09 pm ]
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EddArmitage wrote:
It's a very, very scary concept indeed, isn't it. </ambiguity>

;)

Loud and clear

Author:  EddArmitage [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:10 pm ]
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rustybucket wrote:
EddArmitage wrote:
It's a very, very scary concept indeed, isn't it. </ambiguity>

;)

Loud and clear

Had to vent a bit, sorry.

Author:  bally199 [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:21 pm ]
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Jesus christ.

Author:  big_D [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:25 pm ]
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I think, I'd rather they had pulled the plug than to live a nightmare for 23 years... :? :shock: :?

Author:  JJW009 [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:43 pm ]
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That's always been one of my worst nightmares, poor guy.

It's bad enough when you see someone who can't speak clearly being treated like a useless idiot, something I've seen nurses do to a very grumpy old man who was actually perfectly lucid despite his stroke. Being totally denied communication is just hell. I hope he had a vivid imagination.

I wonder if anyone read to him, or even left the radio on.

Author:  Spreadie [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:57 pm ]
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That is incredible.

Slightly OT.

Does anyone else think the doctor in the article looks like Jaws from the Bond movies?

Author:  ProfessorF [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:02 am ]
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James Randi's bearded view of things:

Randi wrote:
This Cruel Farce Has To Stop!
Swift
Written by James Randi
Monday, 23 November 2009 20:42

I'm enraged. Several perceptive persons have sent me to msnbc.com - where we can see Dr. Nancy Snyderman relating a story. It's a heartrender, described thus by Dr. Snyderman:

A mother [in Belgium] says her son has emerged from what doctors thought was a vegetative state to say he was fully conscious for 23 years but could not respond because he was paralyzed.

No, that is not what the man said, Dr. Snyderman. That's what an incompetent layperson typed for him! I ask you to first go to http://tinyurl.com/y8lku48, and note the section of the video from 12 to 35 seconds, then come back here.

This is yet another obvious example of abysmal, practiced, purposeful ignorance by medical personnel - including Dr. Snyderman and her staff who prepared this piece. I cannot understand how anyone, professional medical person or layman, can continue to believe that the farce known as "Facilitated Communication" [FC] represents anything other than a fantasy that was begun back in 1977, when an Australian woman named Rosemary Crossley came up with the idea that autistic persons could express their thoughts via a keyboard when their hand was "supported" by what she called a "facilitator." In 1989, Douglas Biklen, a sociologist and professor of special education at Syracuse University, eagerly took up her cause, and as a result vast sums were donated to SU by friends and family members of autism victims - money that was simply wasted in futile "research."

I personally investigated this matter. In March of 1992 I was contacted by Dr. Anne M. Donnellan, of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who asked if I would be willing to participate in an investigation of FC as used with autistic children. I was already familiar with FC, and suggested to her that I felt the researchers were perhaps under the influence of the Clever Hans Effect [CHE], also known as the "ideomotor effect," in which the trainer - the facilitator in this case - was unconsciously transmitting the information to the autistic child. This possibility was emphatically denied by Dr. Donnellan, and I was assured that every care had been taken to ensure that the CHE was not in operation. The Clever Hans Effect is notorious in psychology. Early in the last century, a horse named Clever Hans - in German, der Kluge Hans - was claimed to have been able to perform arithmetic and other simple intellectual tasks. In 1907, psychologist Oskar Pfungst showed conclusively that the horse was not actually performing these mental tasks, but was reacting to cues provided by his trainer.

My tests of autistic children at the University of Wisconsin-Madison clearly showed that FC was simply a tragic farce. My findings were totally ignored. The full account of this matter will be discussed in detail in my next book, A Magician in the Laboratory.

The "facilitated communication" process consists of the "facilitator" actually holding the hand of the subject over the keyboard, moving the hand to the key, then drawing the hand back from the keyboard! This very intimate participatory action lends itself very easily to transferring the intended information to the computer screen. In the video you have just viewed, it is very evident that (a) the "facilitator" is looking directly at the keyboard and the screen, and (b) is moving the subject's hand. The video editing is also biased, giving angles that line up the head of the subject with the screen, as if the subject were watching the screen.

This man in the msnbc.com piece is not seeing the screen. He is not aware of what is going on. He is an unknowing victim of these charlatans. A simple test - such as that done on October 19th, 1993, in a Frontline (PBS) documentary highlighting these concerns, "Prisoners of Silence," would prove that FC is a total fraud. This powerful and comprehensive program proved that FC was a delusion.

Dr. Snyderman, how did this get by you? The evidence is right there on the screen! Others have solved this fraud. The Association for Behavior Analysis International (ABAI), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and the American Association on Mental Retardation, have no doubts about this. ABAI calls FC a "discredited technique" and warns that "its use is unwarranted and unethical." The Association for Science in Autism Treatment reviewed the research and position statements and concluded that the messages typed were controlled by the facilitator, not by the individual with autism, and that FC did not improve language skills.

We critics of FC question why people can apparently give speeches in public - via a keyboard and a "facilitator" - and go to college - similarly "assisted" - yet they cannot answer a series of simple questions under controlled conditions! Psychologist Daniel Wegner, professor of psychology at Harvard University and a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science has stated that facilitated communication is a striking example of the ideomotor effect, and tests of FC show that it is a complete fraud, farce, and delusion!

Please, Dr. Snyderman, may we hear from you, in light of what appears here?


Source

Author:  JJW009 [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:09 pm ]
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That's even more unbelievable that the original story, but the evidence is right there on the screen.
Randi wrote:
I ask you to first go to http://tinyurl.com/y8lku48, and note the section of the video from 12 to 35 seconds, then come back here.

... I cannot understand how anyone, professional medical person or layman, can continue to believe that the farce known as "Facilitated Communication" [FC] represents anything other than a fantasy . . . In the video you have just viewed, it is very evident that (a) the "facilitator" is looking directly at the keyboard and the screen, and (b) is moving the subject's hand.


When I read "The 46-year-old, who can now tap out computerised messages" I assumed he'd partially recovered. My cat could type like that, and she's been dead for six months :?

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