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Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Lawson calls for public inquiry into global warming data
No, not Nigella. She does a different kind of warming. Mostly with pies.

No, Nigel Lawson wants an enquiry over how global warming data was massaged to make it sound worse than it probably is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... ation.html

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Lord Lawson, the former chancellor, has called for an independent inquiry into claims that leading climate change scientists manipulated data to strengthen the case for man-made global warming.
Author:  Linux_User [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Lawson calls for public inquiry into global warming data
Nigel Lawson was an idiot when he was in Cabinet and he's still an idiot now.
Author:  ethelredalready [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:12 pm ]
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He is a Tory ergo he is an idiot!

'nuff said.

There is Zero (0) nill, no evidence that any cheating or fiddling of results has taken place. We are not in Mendel territory.
This is a politically motivated leak designed to screw-up the debate. Today's Gruaniad has an excellent dissection of the real agenda look HERE for the lowdown.

Anyone who thinks its all a fraud should take themselves off to some of the World';s lower-lying places like Tuvalu, Bangladesh or the Maldives, where real-estate should be pretty cheap.....
Author:  LaptopAcidXperience [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:43 pm ]
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WTF does he know, he should stick to presenting Late Review on Thursday night after Newsnight.
Author:  HeatherKay [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Lawson calls for public inquiry into global warming data
LaptopAcidXperience wrote:
WTF does he know, he should stick to presenting Late Review on Thursday night after Newsnight.


Heh-heh.

Good joke. :mrgreen:
Author:  paulzolo [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Lawson calls for public inquiry into global warming data
ethelredalready wrote:
There is Zero (0) nill, no evidence that any cheating or fiddling of results has taken place.


This is because the full data for certain key items of evidence has not been made available for scrutiny, and attempts to get hold of it has been met with derision. The fact that the data is not available in a form that can allow it to be scrutinised is clearly problematic.

http://www.globalwarming.org/2009/10/19 ... -it-fraud/

Quote:
Michael Mann’s hockey-stick-shaped historical temperature chart supposedly proved that twentieth century warming was “unprecedented” in the last 2000 years. After it became the centerpiece of the UN climate group’s 2001 Third Assessment Report, Canadian analysts Ross McKitrick and Steve McIntyre asked Mann to divulge his data and statistical algorithms. Mann refused. Ultimately, Mc-Mc, the National Science Foundation and investigators led by renowned statistician Edward Wegman found that the hockey stick was based on cherry-picked tree-ring data and a computer program that generated temperature spikes even when random numbers were fed into it.


and

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This year, another “unprecedented” warming study went down in flames. Lead scientist Keith Briffa managed to keep his tree-ring data secret for a decade, during which the study became a poster child for climate alarmism. Finally, McKitrick and McIntyre gained access to the data. Amazingly, there were 252 cores in the Yamal group, plus cores from other Siberian locations. Together, they showed no anomalous warming trend due to rising carbon dioxide levels. But Briffa selected just twelve cores, to “prove” a dramatic recent temperature spike, and chose three cores that “demonstrated” there had never been a Medieval Warm Period. It was a case study in how to lie with statistics.


To me, this says that there is selective data manipulation at work.

I am not disputing that there are climate changes - this is a planet, and it has a changeable climate. However, I do not believe that we have the full picture, and I feel that it is very misguided to take a fragment of the picture and extrapolate a whole from it.
Author:  LaptopAcidXperience [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:24 am ]
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Now Michael Mann's at it, no wonder his films have gone down hill in recent years.
Author:  jonbwfc [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Lawson calls for public inquiry into global warming data
ethelredalready wrote:
He is a Tory ergo he is an idiot!
'nuff said.
There is Zero (0) nill, no evidence that any cheating or fiddling of results has taken place.

That could just mean they did a proper job. You can't use the fact there is a lack of evidence as proof there has been no tampering with evidence. It's just not logical. The only way to be sure there has been no tampering is by having an independent review. In this sense, the former throwing-tons-of-our-money-down-a-big-hole minister is entirely correct. However, I think it would be an awfully hard task to find someone who was

a) Qualified to review the data
b) Independent.

so I don't think it's practical, however much of a good idea it is in theory.

Jon
Author:  adidan [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Lawson calls for public inquiry into global warming data
I'd welcome a review.

I mean it wasn't so long ago that, with regard to theoretical computer generated models of climate change, Nature Geoscience reported:

Quote:
"In a nutshell, theoretical models cannot explain what we observe in the geological record," said oceanographer Gerald Dickens, a co-author of the study and professor of Earth science at Rice University. "There appears to be something fundamentally wrong with the way temperature and carbon are linked in climate models."


From clicky

Instead of trying to randomly waste money that, effectively, is like trying to put out a bush fire by pissing on it, why don't we use that money to adapt our societies to deal with the changing climate?

The propensity for this arrogant human belief that we can affect every natural eventuality through our actions will be at the root of our demise.
Author:  HeatherKay [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:40 pm ]
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adidan wrote:
The propensity for this arrogant human belief that we can affect every natural eventuality through our actions will be at the root of our demise.


+1
Author:  pcernie [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:21 pm ]
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HeatherKay wrote:
adidan wrote:
The propensity for this arrogant human belief that we can affect every natural eventuality through our actions will be at the root of our demise.


+1


+2
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